Why did she care? Did she think you were all going to keep going?

Joe Della Barba
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Racing Marks Question -- Not C&C Related

Last year for Hospice Cup the RC used a government mark.  We did not need to 
cross the channel, just round the mark off Annapolis. The fleet arrived about 
the same time as a freighter (on the other side of the channel).  The pilot 
hailed the RC and made her displeasure known.  Can't please everyone.

Joel

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:07 PM Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
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Using permanent marks makes sense and are typically in you chart plotter to 
make pre-programming easier.

Neil
1982 C&C 32, FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
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Same here agree with Joe

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As usual, I agree with Joe.



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IMHO this is a bad idea.

The whole idea of how mark roundings happen in racing cannot work if the 
notional idea of where the mark is differs by even 5 or 10 feet from boat to 
boat. I would either use government marks or you all cough up enough cash to 
get an old Whaler and teenager to run around moving marks.

Joe

Coquina





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I recall being in a race a number of years ago in which the mark was missing.  
The owner of the lead boat claimed the boat did a “navigational rounding” – 
which it may have done – but everyone was so skeptical that the race was 
abandoned.



As long as you have a fleet of Corinthian sailors and everyone agrees ahead of 
time, I suppose you can do whatever the fleet decides.  That said, don’t be 
surprised if you get some disgruntlement in practice.



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Listers,



As you all know, this past summer, I relocated my home, office and the 
Enterprise from City Island to the Suncoast of Florida — and I’m getting 
involved in the race management over here, which has been terribly lazy.



One of the big issues we face is lack of resources. Marks are dropped in the 
water a day or two in advance of a regatta and then are either cut loose, 
vandalized or have broken free by the time a race is actually run. And there is 
no chase boat usually available to either drop a new mark or put up an M flag 
to act as one.



Someone brought up the idea of a virtual mark in case a mark is missing, which 
is a new concept to me. I was thinking of language in the SIs that say 
something along the lines of “If a mark is missing or has moved more than 300 
feet from its stated latitude/longitude position, and the race committee is 
unable to replace it, then the mark shall be the stated latitude/longitude 
position.”



Basically, the thought is, especially since this happens now and again, not to 
have to cancel a regatta because a mark has disappeared.



Has anyone ever used “virtual marks”? Does anyone object to the practice? If 
so, why?



Appreciate anyone’s input. Even Risch’s.

All the best,



Edd





Edd M. Schillay

Captain of the Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL



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