Chuck,
Good demonstration of what happens when you decide to sail a smaller
boat thru the lee of a bigger boat. Especially dead downwind with a
A-chute and the bigger has a symmetric chute. Unless the A-chute was
in restricted water or closing the mark they should have been maxing
their VMG by tacking downwind.
Brings back memories of those blue and gold chutes - use to skipper the
wood and first glass NA 44 yawls. Preferred the wood, they were faster;
had no engines, less weight and drag. Bristol YC and Herreshoff Marine
Museum sponsor the boat school's 44s each June for the last 5yrs (missed
this year of Offshore Training because of CORVID 19).
Beat Army !!
Don Kern
Fireball C&C35 Mk2
Bristol, RI
On 7/21/2020 10:55 AM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List wrote:
I focus on the sailing ability in selecting a boat. If you sail in a
steady high winds, go big. But if you are more like the rest of us
and have low wind predominantly, I would steer toward the smallest,
lightest model C&C that still has just enough interior to
accommodate my family. Smaller, lighter, hulls move first as the wind
builds from a calm while heavier boats struggle until the wind gets up
over 10 knots. It takes much less wind to move a 10,000# boat than a
20,000# one. Even less to move a 5000# boat like a 27 footer which
has standing headroom and can be trailered home for the winter. They
will all sail to hullspeed once the wind reaches about 12 knots and
then the longer waterline boat has a speed advantage, but under 10
knots which is predominantly what we sail in, the lighter boats win
and are easier to singlehand and dock, etc. Check out this video of a
C&C 99, a 32 footer catching a J109 and two Navy 44 footers in a race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBKifuS60Go
I also prefer the C&C 34/36 model as I own the racing version w vee
berths (removable for racing) and settee berths, pilot beths, a full
width aft berth and two pipe berths. We rate faster than the 40 and
the bigger sister, the 37/40 rates faster still, though I think the
34/36 was an improvement over it.
Check out the brochures on Stu's cncphotoalbum.com
Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R Pasadena, Md
On 07/21/2020 9:55 AM Nathan Post via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Welcome Jeff,
Something to keep in mind is that a 40 is almost twice as much boat
compared to a 34 or 35 (18000+ lbs rather than 10000 or so.
Everything is bigger, heavier and more expensive. And it can also
get more complicated to sail - does it have running backstays? I
think that a 38 such as Ocean Phoenix does have running backstays -
not sure about the 40. My 34 does not. Not a big deal for long
passages, but we tend to go out to tool around for an evening tacking
and jibing a dozen times in the process or go sail around the islands
outside of Marblehead and Beverly and I would prefer to sail rather
than motor whenever possible if there is any wind (which is why it is
nice to have a light C&C that will move in light air). Dockage,
hauling and winter storage all scale with length too. If offshore
passages are your plan then the bigger boat is likely a better choice
and you want to pay attention to the stability numbers as well, and a
C&C may not be the right choice at all (although I am sure there are
those on this list who would differ).
Any 30-40 ft keelboat boat in the under $20000 sale price range is
going to need a lot of TLC, fiberglass work, paint, rigging work,
sails (likely at some point) and replacements over the coming
years. We have a 34 KCB and it is a nice size for us and is easy for
my wife and me to handle (we don't have or fly a spin although I am
looking to add an asymmetrical at some point). If I was to do it
again I might look for a 34+ or 34/36 which is a little larger and
has a newer style interior layout with a separate shower from the
head I believe. While that would have been more money up front, but
as I put 10+k into improvements plus lots of time each year it would
not have made a big difference in the long run. My boat budget ends
up around $20/year, about half of which is slip, hauling, winter
storage and insurance, and the other half is maintenance and
upgrades. The first year we had the sails cleaned and repaired for
$600, had the prop rebuilt for $500, new water heater, new head
plumbing, new bilge pumps, new foam for the cushions (which I
restuffed myself, etc.), etc. etc.. Last year we got new cruising
sails for $6k and some new lines, new water pump, inflatable life
jackets, etc.. This year it was quite a bit more (I haven't kept
track) because we had the rod-rigging re-ended and needed a new
furler and I repaired soft spots in the deck, repainted and refit the
entire deck and included replacing winches with self tailers and
added a custom bow roller I designed and sent out to a machine shop
along with a new anchor and rode. I am glad she is only 34ft long
rather than 40! Can you do it for a bit less - yes likely - but it
is also nice to be able to improve things and make them better suit
your needs and be prepared for the furler that breaks and isn't
repairable type expenses. Slip and such are probably a bit less up in
Maine than in the Boston area, but it all adds up.
Actually from my experience, and what I have read/learned since, you
are much better off spending more money now to get a boat that the
previous owner put a lot into upgrading and fixing then a previously
neglected boat like I did. Like you we wanted to get into a 30+ ft
cruising boat at the low end of the price point (we paid $7500 for
Wisper in 2018) and I do enjoy working on it almost as much as
sailing so there is that. Initially this approach is tempting with
lots of old neglected boats in the market, but I wouldn’t likely do
that again now that I am into "big boat" ownership. I would likely
still get a 40 year old boat again if/when it comes time to upgrade,
but I would look for one that someone else did a lot of upgrading on
recently and happily pay more for it (there will still be plenty to
do and change over the years). On the other hand, I am learning a
ton as I try things on this boat and learn what I like and don't like
and I am not sure if we would have bought a boat at all if I had
proposed a larger budget to my wife initially. And there is also
satisfaction in bringing a good boat back from the brink of the scrap
yard.
Anyway, that is my two cents. Good luck!
Nathan
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Nathan Post
S/V Wisper
1981 C&C 34 KCB
Lynn MA
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