Makes sense and if the trimmers are paying attention, the sheets and guys are
in the right place at both the windward and leeward marks, they are just at
different places fore and aft on either side. If I understand your post, you
did it that way for reasons other than that the secondaries could not handle
the potential force that having the pole guy on them could produce.
I don't want to reinvent any wheels here--just looking for what is easiest for
the crew to learn and remember as we go up the learning curve--I certainly
don't want to start with one way and then switch!!
Thanks,
Charlie
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From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: Stus-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2022 2:49 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winches in use for dip pole jibes.
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filtered {}#yiv6810242852 div.yiv6810242852WordSection1 {}-->Hi Charlie When
we raced on a C&C 115 we always put the guys on primary and sheets on
secondary. Usually if you are rounding WW mark on stbd the guy is on stbd
primary and sheet on port secondary leaving port primary for jib sheet If
W/L as you describe at the LW mark guy is on WW side primary and new jib sheet
on LW side primary. This only becomes a problem if you have to tack last
minute at the mark and with the pole up that is usually a S Show anyway so who
really cares where the lazy guy is at that point That boat is long gone from
here now and we don’t do dip pole on Persistence Mike Former crew on
Koobalibra C&C 115 Halifax From: Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
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Sent: December 1, 2022 3:42 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Winches in use for dip pole jibes. My tactician and I
have a friendly disagreement on which winches to use when doing dip pole jibes
with lazy sheets and 'guys' on my masthead rig C&C 36 XL/kcb: On Water
Phantom, I have moved the initial primary winches (Lewmar ST 50s) forward on
the cockpit coaming and added another secondary winch pair (Lewmar ST 44s) at
the aft end of the cockpit coaming. Thus my secondaries are hardly secondary in
strength and power ratios, etc. All our races have port roundings and most
are W-L. Thus we are on starboard tack at either the windward or leeward mark.
I am no expert on dip-pole jibes but as I thought thru the sequence of events
at the turning mark on starboard tack, it seemed intuitive to me to rig the
kite with a starboard pole always (we never do jib sets!), using the aft
secondary winches for both the sheet and the guy on the kite. This leaves the
forward primary winches committed to the headsail as we make the turn at the
mark. After the turn, the primary winches can be cleared of the headsail
sheets and the other set of kite lines (sheet and guy) can be rigged on these
primary winches. When it comes time to jibe, the aft secondary kite lines
become lazy and the trimmers use the primary winches--note the primary and
secondary winches are only about 2 feet apart. For the next jibe, the trimmers
move to the aft secondary winches and so on... At the leeward mark, always
on starboard for port roundings, the kite is back to being controlled by the
aft secondaries (as at the windward mark) and the forward primaries can be
loaded with the headsail sheets in anticipation of the beat to windward just as
they were positioned at the windward mark. I like this symmetry (but then I am
mostly a left-hander!) and think it involves less line switching, less time and
might be faster than using a forward set of winches for both guys, etc.
OTOH, my tactician races mainly in a one design Beneteau 41S fleet in Chicago
where the primary forward winches have both guys on them, the aft secondary
winches are used for both sheets always. (I think this is because the
secondaries might be pretty small on the 41S and they and/or the crew may not
be able to handle the guys on the secondary aft winches). Since I have no
problem with using Lewmar 44s as primary winches, I have the option to do the
winches ala the Chicago way or the Water Phantom way. Before I commit to having
the crew learn how to do these winch swaps as we go from jibe to jibe, I want
to choose the best way to handle the winches and stick with it through the
season. What do the list racers think of these alternatives? Thanks in
advance, Charlie Nelson Water Phantom 1995 C&C 36 XL/kcb New Bern, NC
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