On May 21, 2008, at 12:49 AM, Peter Duniho wrote:
I have already acknowledged that opinions vary. You, being among
the regular contributors to this mailing list, I fully expect to
"think that Objective-C find a pragmatic sweet spot". Anything else
would surprise me.
There are a lot of things I would like to change about Objective-C if
I could, but would my version end up having the same broad appeal?
With pragmatic I wanted to imply that I think that it manages to solve
a lot of problems without falling into the trap of being too "pure" in
any direction.
[...] Let's agree to re-visit this discussion one to two years from
now. I don't think that it's fair of us to expect you to provide an
informed comparison before you have more experiences with both
environments.
You are simply proving my point.
You reject my impressions simply because I have less experience with
the language. You fail to have any sympathy whatsoever for my
personal experience, and tell me that I will change my mind after
using Cocoa for two more years.
That was not my intention. What I wanted to say is that I think that
we've probably taken this discussion as far as we can at this point,
but that I thought it would be interesting to come back to this same
topic at some later point when you have had a chance of getting to
know ObjC + Cocoa better. My hope was not that you at this point would
be either brain washed or departed. I clearly failed to communicate
this well enough, and I should also not assume to know how much
experience you already have on this platform. If I came across as
blunt and / or condescending, I apologize.
And again: it's not that I'm on a crusade to have Objective-C
changed, or to have Cocoa made fully accessible via some other
language. I just want people to have some empathy for what at least
some of us go through upon encountering the one official Mac
development environment. Stop telling us that our reactions aren't
valid; for better or worse, these are our reactions and we can no
more control them than you can stop breathing. They are ours and
like it or not, they matter.
I do respect both your first impressions, and your unique insight
based on experiences from other platforms. That's why I wrote this in
my other message to this thread:
We welcome input from new users to our platform. It's great to have
an influx of new people come with fresh ideas. Please file bug
reports for any concrete problems you find or suggestions that you
have
j o a r
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