FWIW, I think I've noticed that similar issues with Aquamacs. Sometimes I can 
see it in Expose but when I try to select it, it disappears. It may be an issue 
with multiple desktops or an external display. If you think it will help, I'll 
see if I can reproduce what the exact situation is.

Dave


> On Nov 18, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Tom Doan via Cocoa-dev 
> <cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, it appears that it's 100% predictable---it fails on a M1 
> chipped computer and works on an Intel chipped computer (or an 
> M1 running the software through Rosetta).
> 
>> I can say it has been true in the past, even if it is no longer the
>> case. It is not something I test with each OS release. I certainly can
>> move a window almost entirely offscreen-enough to not notice it at
>> least. Also, your suggestion that the window may have an invalid size
>> could also be the case, additionally revealed by logging the window
>> frame. I have seen some auto layout wonkiness that forces  too-small
>> frame, though not enough to  make it disappear. 
>> 
>> Keary Suska
>> Esoteritech, Inc.
>> "Demystifying technology for your home or business"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2021, at 7:13 AM, Tom Doan via Cocoa-dev
>>> <cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, but is that true? I've tried forcing the window off screen
>>> with setFrame: and it still shows up (generally pinned to the top of
>>> the visible frame) even though the [NSWindow frame] returns the
>>> "off-screen" location that I programmed in. The only way I have
>>> found to make the window "invisible" is to give it a non-positive
>>> size, and then pulling it off the window menu still won't show it.
>>> 
>>>> Have you logged the window coordinates? It might be placed fully
>>>> offscreen, and that would produce the behavior you are seeing.
>>>> 
>>>> Keary Suska
>>>> Esoteritech, Inc.
>>>> "Demystifying technology for your home or business"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 13, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Tom Doan via Cocoa-dev
>>>>> <cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm having a problem with an application where a small percentage
>>>>> of users have one particular NSWindow type which doesn't show even
>>>>> though it goes through a makeKeyAndOrderFront. It's on the window
>>>>> list and will open if they do a tile, cascade or window switch
>>>>> operation, but doesn't come up initially. I can't reproduce this
>>>>> on any of my computers running three different flavors of MacOS
>>>>> (including Big Sur and Monterey). What should I be looking for
>>>>> that might cause this behavior.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
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