On Jan 5, 2010, at 12:33, Nick Zitzmann wrote:

> On Jan 5, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Quincey Morris wrote:
> 
>> Firstly, you can't *in general* normalize to a specific time, because you 
>> can't in general know that the time exists on every date.
> 
> Unless you use a specific time zone, and store that time zone information 
> elsewhere in the model. And if you use GMT, as I mentioned earlier, unless 
> some cosmic event happens that disturbs the flow of time, there is no such 
> thing as a GMT time that does not exist, since GMT ignores transforms like 
> daylight savings.

I'll say this part again, and keep saying it till someone actually tells me I'm 
wrong:

...

Wait, no, I did that already.

Assuming that you're going to ultimately present the user with dates in the 
user interface, it's still a cultural assumption that the dates as the user 
perceives them map directly onto UTC date/times. Yes, I know I'm standing up 
for cultural perspectives that likely don't exist, but I think it's important 
to make the point that dates vs date/times is a subtle matter.

The OP wanted to use NSDate objects to avoid the clunkiness of multiple 
values/variables with NSDateComponents. I'm arguing that avoiding 
NSDateComponents is a *lot* more work, and that using NSDate for this purpose 
is *very* easy to get wrong.

As to the cosmic event -- well, I already mentioned leap seconds. Depending on 
which way the leap goes, there *will* be a UTC time that doesn't exist, or one 
that exists twice*. :)

*I think -- I don't really know enough about it.


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