My quick response to this particular issue:
"Two quick clarifications, if I may. First, I mentioned proso millet seed use 
for poultry and possibly hogs. The Dryland Genetics group was (and is?) 
discussing the potential of proso four chicken feed, so I had  assumed this was 
already a thing. They've also researched its potential for hogs (and indeed one 
old common name for proso was "hog millet"). I defer to Dipak, of course, for 
what is actually done."

Currently, proso millet in poultry and hog feeding are a research scale. I 
doubt if there is any commercial use of proso millet in poultry and hog feeding 
in the US. However, in the past proso millet was commercially used in the 
livestock feeding.
I am part of the poultry feeding study using millet, which is being conducted 
at University of Nebraska-Lincoln. Drylan Genetics is part of the study 
supplying the seeds for the project. Initial result is very encouraging. 
Germany is already using proso millet in organic poultry industry. Hog feeding 
study was by Dryland Genetics and BASF (I think it was done in the Iowa State 
University). Initial result is encouraging (personal communication with Dryland 
Genetics).

The price is the single most important factor which determines use of proso 
millet. I do not see commercial use of proso millet in the US feed industry in 
near future unless proso millet price is lower than corn and there is 
sustainable supply high volume of grain is assured in the US.

Thanks,

Dipak

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Dipak Santra, Ph.D.
Professor (Alternative Crops Breeding Specialist)
President, International Broomcorn Millet Association
Department of Agronomy and Horticulture
University of Nebraska–Lincoln
Panhandle Research & Extension Center
4502 Ave I, Scottsbluff, NE 69361
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From: Don Osborn <d...@milletsalliance.org>
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Thank you Dipak, Gary for your precisions, corrections, and additional 
information. The subject of millets is a bit complicated (even as there is a 
lack of data on some points), so these contributions are appreciated.

Maria, Sruthi, an additional source that you might find helpful is a short 
guide to uses of millets by our friend Dr. Rob Myers (University of Missouri) 
entitled "Growing Millets for Grain, Forage or Cover Crop Use" (2018).  While 
giving international context, the focus is on uses in the US. Uses by specific 
millet are broken down under subheadings. These are crops with diverse utility, 
and the configuration of uses is not the same for all of them. See: 
https://extension.missouri.edu/publications/g4164

Having done some work relating to languages, I see a linguistic dimension to 
confusion about millets and their uses. One could say "millet is X"  and "milet 
is not X"  and be correct, because one was referring to two entirely different 
species. It's important to remember that the "millet"  we see in major food 
markets in this part of the world is almost always one species: proso millet. 
So, "millet" (meaning proso) is grown primarily for grain (and that grain is 
not part of cattle feed), and "millet" acreage (meaning the area in the US on 
which various species of millets are grown) goes mostly to feeding livestock 
(including cattle, but in the form of graze, silage, or, hay).

Two quick clarifications, if I may. First, I mentioned proso millet seed use 
for poultry and possibly hogs. The Dryland Genetics group was (and is?) 
discussing the potential of proso four chicken feed, so I had  assumed this was 
already a thing. They've also researched its potential for hogs (and indeed one 
old common name for proso was "hog millet"). I defer to Dipak, of course, for 
what is actually done.

Second, there was some work on pearl millet grain for poultry, and indeed a 
variety of the crop developed for that purpose at the University of Georgia. 
Apparently it didn't catch on? (A subtext to this and the above mention of 
proso for poultry is that there is a well-established agro-industry producing 
feed based largely on corn and wheat, according to what I read.)

Hope this helps,

Don

DO, EL, MI, US
NAMA


On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 8:45 PM Gary Wietgrefe via Collab 
<collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>> wrote:
Sruthi and Maria, I hope we did not confuse you.

First, Dipak is correct that most years proso grain is not fed to cattle, hogs, 
poultry, or used for ethanol in the U.S. Trials have been ongoing for a 
century. Usually, only when proso grain prices get down to corn (priced 
cents-per-pound) will some proso slide into the feed market which has been rare 
in recent years. That low priced, or low quality proso grain rarely is sold to 
commercial proso buyers. That is why Dipak is correct (point 3) "...local 
marketing companies" do not buy and sell proso grain for feed, except for caged 
and wild bird feed. (Note, nearly all U.S. bird feed is proso, but foxtail 
millets, normally for seed, do find their way into caged bird feed.)

Secondly, U.S. livestock are fed millet forage which does produce meat. Far 
more acres of U.S. millets (combining pearl, foxtail, Japanese, teff, and 
browntop) are fed to livestock than is proso produced for grain. U.S. Dept. of 
Agriculture has not collected any uses of millet for many years. Even though 
over half the U.S. states raise millets (including proso), since 1999 USDA has 
only estimated proso, and only proso, harvested for grain. Note also slide 18 
in presentation on Acreage Potential of U.S. Proso Millet where roughly 15% of 
USDA's 3-state proso estimates are planted and NOT harvested for grain.

Thirdly, your's, and any research on millet uses in the U.S., is welcomed. I 
have tried. Since growing millet on our South Dakota farm, I have been around 
millet my whole life and published two books on it (1989--Proso Millet: A Trade 
Summary, and 1990--How to Produce Proso Millet: a farmer's guide). Both can be 
downloaded for free on ResearchGate.com. Review the presentation U.S. Millets 
for Feed, Conservation, and Wildlife specifically slides 7-13 for feed, 14-18 
for conservation, and 19-22 for wildlife. My photos help tell the production 
and use story. My YouTube channel also has several millet videos, specifically 
feeding: https://youtu.be/usv-kruub54?si=JOR2zymO-R73d417 and pricing: 
https://youtu.be/pVQclIw5Rbw?si=mbno369FtqOan1Sf .

I look forward to reading your proso as food research....Gary Wietgrefe


On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 1:18 PM Dipak Santra 
<dsant...@unl.edu<mailto:dsant...@unl.edu>> wrote:
Hi Maria and Sruthi:
I would like to clarify a couple of points to the best of my knowledge.

  1.  In the US, unless Sorghum is considered millet, proso millet is the only 
millet which is grown for commodity grain. Other two grain millets are pearl 
millet and foxtail millet but used as certified seed for hay production.
  2.  You are correct that majority of the US proso millet is used for 
non-human food. However, this non-human food use means for bird feed not for 
cattle feed. No proso millet is used for cattle feeding in the US. In fact, I 
do not know if proso millet is used for cattle feeding anywhere in the world. 
So, this is not 'round about' way of human food.
  3.  Currently, the true human food & beverage uses of proso millet are 
significantly lower than that of bird feed but the amount is substantial due to 
recent global initiative to promote millets (IYM2023).
It is not possible to get exact percentage or number of acres used cultivating 
of millets for cattle or bird feed and human consumption. However, ~20% of the 
US proso millet is used for non-bird feed i.e. human food and beverages. The 
remaining 80% is used for non-food (bird feed-major and mushroom - minor). 
There is no use of proso millet for cattle feeding. This information is based 
on personal communications with local millet marketing companies. There is no 
published literature for this information.
The US proso millet production data based on USDA-NASS: The trend of proso 
millet production in the USA during the last 10 years (2014-2023) based on 
USDA-NAAS data.

•        Total Areas of production average: 192,551 hectares (157,895 – 268,551 
ha)

•        Total production average: 311,311 tons (227,273 – 454,545 tons)

•        Yield: 1.174 tons/ha (1.18 – 2.13 tons/ha)

•        Sales price: $220/ton ($132 - $484/ton)

•        Value: $73 million ($36 – $134 million)
The following link provides complete and detail data during entire recording 
time (1999-2023).
https://quickstats.nass.usda.gov/results/FDDA3F86-2398-363D-B8C3-D0A1EB4818D5
I hope that this helps.
Regards,
Dipak
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Dipak Santra, Ph.D.
Professor (Alternative Crops Breeding Specialist)
President, International Broomcorn Millet Association
Department of Agronomy and Horticulture
University of Nebraska–Lincoln
Panhandle Research & Extension Center
4502 Ave I, Scottsbluff, NE 69361
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 On Behalf Of Maria E Giovanni via Collab
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Thank you Gary and Don! I’m Sruthi’s Research Professor – we want to make the 
point that some millet is grown in the US but most of it goes to non-human food 
use (I supposed feeding millet to cattle is a “round about” way to feed 
people!).
Maria Giovanni
Chico State Univ, Dept of Food Science

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Sruthi, we welcome your research as it will add food details to the complex 
U.S. millet matrix. Little is publicly available on quantities and types of 
various U.S. millets used for food (most of which is proso).
Lacking accurate data, I made estimates in a couple presentations last year for 
the International Millet Conference in Gehring, NE (Aug. 2), and non-food uses 
of U.S. millets (Nov. 15) which was a NAMA webinar. See links below and 
suggested slides that may help you....Gary Wietgrefe
(3) (PDF) Acreage Potential of Proso Millet in U.S. Crop Rotations Aug. 1-3, 
2023 Gering NE 
(researchgate.net)<https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373014012_Acreage_Potential_of_Proso_Millet_in_US_Crop_Rotations_Aug_1-3_2023_Gering_NE>
 See slides 27 and 41.
(3) (PDF) U.S. Millets for Forage Conservation Wildlife and Ornamental Uses 
(researchgate.net)<https://www.researchgate.net/publication/380459996_US_Millets_for_Forage_Conservation_Wildlife_and_Ornamental_Uses>
 See slides 34, and 35.

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Hello,

I hope you're doing well!

I'm a graduate student in Nutritional Sciences at California State University, 
Chico. I'm currently working on my research project " Sensory Evaluation and 
Acceptance of millets in California State University, Chico". In this project, 
I collaborated with the university dining hall and conducted a taste test of 
millets involving students and staff of CSU, Chico to assess their acceptance 
of millets as a whole grain.

I'm currently working on writing my paper. However, I was stuck when I was 
looking into percentage or number of acres used cultivating of millets for 
cattle or bird feed and human consumption. I was wondering if anyone can help 
me in this regard. It would be of great help to complete the paper and research.

Thank you,


Sruthi Vobbilisetti
Graduate student
Dept. of Nutrition and Food Science
California State University, Chico

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Thanks Sruthi, for this information and question. Welcome to Collab!

I hope others on the list who are in a better position to respond about the
breakdown of acreage devoted to millet for various purposes will do so. In
the meantime, I'd note that in a post to this list last September, Gary
Weitgrefe discussed some statistics, including that 86.8% of the proso
millet grown in the three-state area of Colorado, Nebraska, and South
Dakota (major producers) is harvested for grain.* That grain might go for
different purposes, including birdseed, feed for poultry or hogs(?), and
human food. I don't have a breakdown of that  Presumably the other 13.2%
includes proso that goes for forage / hay.

Sorghum and teff, which may be included among the millets, are similarly
grown for grain or forage. I have no breakdowns.

All other millets - including pearl, foxtail, and Japanese/barnyard - are
grown only for animal consumption, even in the rare cases they are
harvested for grain. I understand that browntop millet is sown only for
wildlife.

Others please correct me on any of the above, and/or expand on it.

It will be very interesting to know more about your study, Sruthi,
including which millets were used. Please keep us informed as the work
progresses.

Thanks again and best of luck with your studies!

Don

Don Osborn, PhD
(East Lansing, MI, US)
North American Millets Alliance

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https://lists.millets2023.space/pipermail/collab/2023-September/000329.html



On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 9:16?AM Sruthi Vobbilisetti via Collab <
collab@lists.millets2023.space<mailto:collab@lists.millets2023.space>> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I hope you're doing well!
>
> I'm a graduate student in Nutritional Sciences at California State
> University, Chico. I'm currently working on my research project " Sensory
> Evaluation and Acceptance of millets in California State University,
> Chico". In this project, I collaborated with the university dining hall and
> conducted a taste test of millets involving students and staff of CSU,
> Chico to assess their acceptance of millets as a whole grain.
>
> I'm currently working on writing my paper. However, I was stuck when I was
> looking into percentage or number of acres used cultivating of millets for
> cattle or bird feed and human consumption. I was wondering if anyone can
> help me in this regard. It would be of great help to complete the paper and
> research.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Sruthi Vobbilisetti
> Graduate student
> Dept. of Nutrition and Food Science
> California State University, Chico
>
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