voonhous commented on code in PR #18359:
URL: https://github.com/apache/hudi/pull/18359#discussion_r3504507822


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+# RFC-100 Part 2: External Blob Cleanup for Unstructured Data
+
+## Proposers
+
+- @voon
+
+## Approvers
+
+- @rahil-c
+- @vinothchandar
+- @yihua
+
+## Status
+
+Issue: <Link to GH feature issue>
+
+> Please keep the status updated in `rfc/README.md`.
+
+---
+
+## Abstract
+
+When Hudi cleans expired file slices, external out-of-line blob files they 
reference may become
+orphaned -- still consuming storage but unreachable by any query. This RFC 
extends the existing file
+slice cleaner to identify and delete these orphaned blob files safely and 
efficiently. The design
+uses a two-stage pipeline: (1) per-file-group set-difference to find 
locally-orphaned blobs, and
+(2) cross-file-group verification via MDT secondary index lookup. Targeted 
index lookups scale with
+the number of candidates, not the table size. Tables without blob columns pay 
zero cost.
+
+This design focuses on **external blobs** -- the Phase 1 use case of RFC-100 
where users have
+existing blob files in external storage (e.g., `s3://media-bucket/videos/`) 
and Hudi manages the
+*references* via the `BlobReference` schema, not the *storage layout*.
+
+---
+
+## Background
+
+### Why Blob Cleanup Is Needed
+
+RFC-100 introduces out-of-line blob storage for unstructured data (images, 
video, documents). A
+record's `BlobReference` field points to an external blob file by 
`reference.external_path`. When
+the cleaner expires old file slices, the blob files they reference may no 
longer be needed -- but the
+existing cleaner has no concept of transitive references. It deletes file 
slices without considering
+the blob files they point to. Without blob cleanup, orphaned blobs accumulate 
indefinitely.
+
+### External Blobs
+
+Users have existing blob files in external storage (e.g., 
`s3://media-bucket/videos/`). Records
+reference these blobs directly by path. Hudi manages the *references*, not the 
*storage layout*.
+Cross-file-group sharing is common -- multiple records across different file 
groups can point to the
+same blob. Key properties:
+
+| Property                  | External blobs                               |
+|---------------------------|----------------------------------------------|
+| Path uniqueness           | Not guaranteed (user controls)               |
+| Cross-FG sharing          | Common (multiple records, same blob)         |
+| Writer/cleaner race       | Can occur (external paths outside MVCC)      |
+| Per-FG cleanup sufficient | No -- cross-FG verification needed           |
+
+### Constraints and Requirements Reference
+
+Full descriptions and failure modes in [Problem 
Statement](rfc-100-blob-cleaner-problem.md).
+
+| ID  | Constraint                                          | Remarks          
                |
+|-----|-----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------|
+| C1  | Blob immutability (append-once, read-many)          |                  
                |
+| C2  | Delete-and-re-add same path                         | Real concern for 
external blobs  |
+| C3  | Cross-file-group blob sharing                       | Common for 
external blobs        |
+| C4  | MOR log updates shadow base file blob refs          |                  
                |
+| C5  | Existing cleaner is per-file-group scoped           |                  
                |
+| C6  | OCC is per-file-group                               | No global 
contention allowed     |
+| C7  | Replace commits move blob refs between file groups  | Clustering, 
insert_overwrite     |
+| C8  | Savepoints freeze file slices and blob refs         |                  
                |
+| C9  | Rollback and restore can invalidate or resurrect    |                  
                |
+| C10 | Archival removes commit metadata                    |                  
                |
+| C11 | Cross-FG verification needed at scale               |                  
                |
+
+| ID  | Requirement                                                      |
+|-----|------------------------------------------------------------------|
+| R1  | No premature deletion (hard invariant)                           |
+| R2  | No permanent orphans (bounded cleanup)                           |
+| R3  | MOR correctness (over-retention acceptable, under-retention not) |
+| R4  | Concurrency safety (no global serialization)                     |
+| R5  | Scale proportional to work, not table size                       |
+| R6  | No cost for non-blob tables                                      |
+| R7  | All cleaning policies supported                                  |
+| R8  | Crash safety and idempotency                                     |
+| R9  | Observability (metrics for deleted, retained, reclaimed)         |
+
+---
+
+## Design Overview
+
+### Design Philosophy
+
+Blob cleanup extends the existing `CleanPlanner` / `CleanActionExecutor` 
pipeline -- same timeline
+instant, same plan-execute-complete lifecycle, same crash recovery and OCC 
integration. A
+`hasBlobColumns()` check gates all blob logic so non-blob tables pay near zero 
cost (schema scan 
+cost).
+
+External blobs require cross-file-group verification because the same blob can 
be referenced from
+multiple file groups (C3, C11). The design uses targeted MDT secondary index 
lookups that scale
+with the number of candidates, not the table size.
+
+### Two-Stage Pipeline
+
+| Stage       | Scope            | Purpose                                     
                         | When it runs                 |
+|-------------|------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------|
+| **Stage 1** | Per-file-group   | Collect expired/retained blob refs, compute 
set difference           | Always (for blob tables)     |
+| **Stage 2** | Cross-file-group | Verify candidates against MDT secondary 
index or fallback scan       | When local orphans exist     |
+
+### Key Decisions
+
+| Decision            | Choice                                                 
 | Rationale                                                      |
+|---------------------|---------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------|
+| Blob identity       | `reference.external_path`                              
 | Path-based identity for external blobs                         |
+| Cleanup scope       | Per-FG candidate identification + cross-FG 
verification | Aligns with OCC (C6) and existing cleaner (C5); scales for C11 |
+| Cross-FG mechanism  | MDT secondary index on `reference.external_path`       
 | Short-circuits on first non-cleaned FG ref                     |
+| Blob delete storage | Sidecar Parquet file (`.hoodie/.aux/clean/`)           
  | Avoids plan bloat; durable artifact for writer conflict checks |
+| MOR strategy        | Over-retain (union of base + log refs)                 
 | Safe (C4, R3); cleaned after compaction                        |
+
+```mermaid
+flowchart LR
+    subgraph Planning["CleanPlanActionExecutor.requestClean()"]
+        direction TB
+        Gate{"hasBlobColumns()?"}
+        Gate -- No --> Skip["Skip blob cleanup<br/>(zero cost)"]
+        Gate -- Yes --> CP
+
+        subgraph CP["CleanPlanner (per-partition, per-FG)"]
+            direction TB
+            Policy["Policy method<br/>→ FileGroupCleanResult<br/>(expired + 
retained slices)"]
+            S1["<b>Stage 1</b><br/>Per-FG blob ref<br/>set difference"]
+            Policy --> S1
+        end
+
+        S1 --> S2["<b>Stage 2</b><br/>Cross-FG verification<br/>(MDT secondary 
index)"]
+        S2 --> SC["Write sidecar 
Parquet<br/>.hoodie/.aux/clean/&lt;instant&gt;<br/>.blob_deletes.parquet"]
+    end
+
+    subgraph Plan["HoodieCleanerPlan"]
+        FP["filePathsToBeDeleted<br/>(existing)"]
+        EM["extraMetadata[blobDeletesPath]<br/>(pointer to sidecar)"]
+    end
+
+    SC --> EM
+    CP --> FP
+
+    subgraph Execution["CleanActionExecutor.runClean()"]
+        direction TB
+        RS["Read sidecar Parquet"]
+        DF["Delete file slices<br/>(existing, parallel)"]
+        DB["Delete blob files<br/>(new, parallel)"]
+        RS --> DB
+    end
+
+    FP --> DF
+    EM --> RS
+```
+
+---
+
+## Algorithm
+
+### Stage 1: Per-File-Group Local Cleanup
+
+Stage 1 runs after the existing policy logic determines which file slices are 
expired and retained
+for a given file group. It collects blob refs from both sets and computes 
locally-orphaned blobs by
+set difference. All local orphans proceed to Stage 2 for cross-FG verification.
+
+```
+Input:  A file group FG with expired_slices and retained_slices (from policy)
+Output: local_orphan_candidates -- external blobs needing cross-FG verification
+
+for each file_group being cleaned:
+
+    // Collect expired blob refs (base files + log files)
+    // Must read log files: blob refs introduced and superseded within the log
+    // chain before compaction would otherwise become permanent orphans.
+    expired_refs = Set<external_path>()
+    for slice in expired_slices:
+        for ref in extractBlobRefs(slice.baseFile):   // columnar projection
+            if ref.type == OUT_OF_LINE and ref.managed == true:
+                expired_refs.add(ref.external_path)
+        for ref in extractBlobRefs(slice.logFiles):   // full record read
+            if ref.type == OUT_OF_LINE and ref.managed == true:
+                expired_refs.add(ref.external_path)
+
+    if expired_refs is empty:
+        continue                                       // no blob work for 
this FG
+
+    // Collect retained blob refs (base files only)
+    // Cleaning is fenced on compaction: retained base files contain the merged
+    // state. Log reads are unnecessary -- any shadowed base ref causes safe
+    // over-retention, cleaned after the next compaction cycle.
+    retained_refs = Set<external_path>()
+    for slice in retained_slices:
+        for ref in extractBlobRefs(slice.baseFile):   // columnar projection 
only
+            if ref.type == OUT_OF_LINE and ref.managed == true:
+                retained_refs.add(ref.external_path)
+
+    // Compute local orphans by set difference
+    local_orphans = expired_refs - retained_refs
+
+    // All local orphans proceed to Stage 2 for cross-FG verification
+    all_local_orphans.addAll(local_orphans)
+```
+
+**Correctness notes:**
+
+- **MOR -- expired side reads base + logs:** Blob refs can be introduced and 
superseded entirely
+  within the log chain (e.g., `log@t2: row1->blob_B`, then `log@t3: 
row1->blob_C`). After
+  compaction, `blob_B` exists only in the expired log. Skipping logs would 
orphan it permanently.
+- **MOR -- retained side reads base only:** Cleaning is fenced on compaction, 
so retained base
+  files contain the merged state. Shadowed base refs cause over-retention 
(safe), cleaned after
+  the next compaction.
+- **Savepoints:** Inherited from existing cleaner -- savepointed slices stay 
in the retained set.
+- **Replaced FGs (replace commits):** `retained_slices` is empty, so all blob 
refs become
+  candidates. For external blobs, clustering copies the pointer to the target 
FG, so Stage 2
+  finds the reference in the target FG and retains the blob.
+
+### Stage 2: Cross-File-Group Verification
+
+Stage 2 verifies each local orphan candidate against the global state to 
determine if the blob is
+still referenced by any active file slice outside the cleaned file groups. 
This is necessary because
+external blobs can be shared across file groups (C3, C11).
+
+#### Primary path: MDT secondary index
+
+When the MDT secondary index on `reference.external_path` is available and 
fully built:
+
+```
+Input:  all_local_orphans, cleaned_fg_ids
+Output: blob_files_to_delete (confirmed globally orphaned)
+
+candidate_paths = all_local_orphans.distinct()
+
+// Step 1: Batched prefix scan on secondary index
+// Key format: escaped(external_path)$escaped(record_key)
+// Returns ALL record keys that reference each candidate path
+// Uses engine-context HoodieData (e.g., RDD on Spark) to distribute work
+// across executors -- candidate sets can be large (row-level blob refs).
+candidate_paths_data = engineContext.parallelize(candidate_paths)
+path_to_record_keys = 
mdtMetadata.readSecondaryIndexDataTableRecordKeysWithKeys(
+    candidate_paths_data, indexPartitionName)
+    .groupBy(pair -> pair.getKey())
+
+// Step 2: Batch record index lookup -- ONE call for ALL record keys
+// Sorts keys internally, single sequential forward-scan through HFile.
+all_record_keys = path_to_record_keys.values().flatMap()
+all_locations = mdtMetadata.readRecordIndexLocations(
+    all_record_keys)                                    // -> Map<recordKey, 
(partition, fileId)>
+
+// Step 3: In-memory resolution with short-circuit per candidate
+for path in candidate_paths:
+    record_keys = path_to_record_keys.getOrDefault(path, [])
+
+    if record_keys is empty:
+        blob_files_to_delete.add(path)                  // globally orphaned
+        continue
+
+    found_live_reference = false
+    for rk in record_keys:
+        location = all_locations.get(rk)
+        if location != null and location.fileId NOT in cleaned_fg_ids:
+            found_live_reference = true
+            break                                       // short-circuit 
(in-memory)
+
+    if not found_live_reference:
+        blob_files_to_delete.add(path)                  // all refs in cleaned 
FGs
+```
+
+**Cost model.** Three steps: (1) batched prefix scan on secondary index, (2) 
batched record index
+lookup in a single sorted HFile scan, (3) in-memory resolution with 
short-circuit. Steps 1 and 2
+are each a single I/O pass; step 3 is pure hash set lookups.
+
+| Step                      | I/O                                           | 
Estimated cost (2K candidates) |
+|---------------------------|-----------------------------------------------|--------------------------------|
+| 1. Prefix scan (batched)  | 1 HFile open + forward scan of N prefix keys  | 
~2-5s                          |
+| 2. Record index (batched) | 1 HFile open + forward scan of 6K sorted keys | 
~1-2s                          |
+| 3. In-memory resolution   | Hash set checks (cleaned_fg_ids)              | 
~0ms                           |
+
+*Estimates assume cloud object storage (S3/GCS/ADLS), ~10-100ms per-read 
latency, ~50-200 MB/s
+sequential throughput, 64-256KB HFile blocks. Pending benchmarking.*
+
+**Index definition.** Uses the existing `HoodieIndexDefinition` mechanism with
+`sourceFields = ["<blob_col>", "reference", "external_path"]`. The nested 
field path is supported
+by `HoodieSchemaUtils.projectSchema()` and 
`SecondaryIndexRecordGenerationUtils`. No new index
+infrastructure is needed.
+
+**Safety check.** The cleaner verifies the index is fully built before using 
it via
+`getMetadataPartitions()` and `getMetadataPartitionsInflight()`. A 
partially-built index falls
+back to the table scan path.
+
+#### Fallback path: table scan with circuit breaker
+
+When the MDT secondary index is unavailable, Stage 2 falls back to a 
parallelized table scan
+across all partitions. A circuit breaker 
(`hoodie.cleaner.blob.external.scan.max.candidates`,
+default 1000) defers cleanup if candidates exceed the threshold, preventing 
the scan from becoming
+a bottleneck on large tables. The operator is warned to enable the MDT 
secondary index.
+
+#### Decision matrix
+
+| Condition                   | Path used     | Cost                  | 
Suitable for              |
+|-----------------------------|---------------|-----------------------|---------------------------|
+| No local orphan candidates  | Skip Stage 2  | Zero                  | No 
blob work this cycle   |
+| MDT secondary index enabled | Index lookup  | O(candidates)         | Any 
scale                 |
+| No index, few candidates    | Table scan    | O(candidates * table) | Small 
tables              |
+| No index, many candidates   | Circuit break | Zero (deferred)       | Large 
tables need index   |
+
+```mermaid
+sequenceDiagram
+    participant C as Cleaner (Stage 2)
+    participant SI as MDT Secondary Index
+    participant RI as MDT Record Index
+
+    Note over C: Step 1: Batch prefix scan
+    C->>SI: All candidate paths (N paths, single call)
+    SI-->>C: Map<path, List<recordKey>>
+
+    Note over C: Step 2: Batch record index lookup
+    C->>C: Collect all record keys from all candidates
+    C->>RI: readRecordIndexLocations(all record keys)
+    Note over RI: Sort keys → single sequential<br/>forward-scan through HFile
+    RI-->>C: Map<recordKey, (partition, fileId)>
+
+    Note over C: Step 3: In-memory resolution
+    loop For each candidate path
+        alt No record keys for this path
+            Note right of C: Globally orphaned → DELETE
+        else Has record keys
+            C->>C: Check each location.fileId<br/>against cleaned_fg_ids 
(in-memory)
+            alt Any fileId NOT in cleaned_fg_ids
+                Note right of C: Live reference → RETAIN
+            else All in cleaned FGs
+                Note right of C: Globally orphaned → DELETE
+            end
+        end
+    end
+```
+
+### Execution Flow
+
+```
+1. CleanPlanActionExecutor.requestClean()
+   ├── hasBlobColumns(table)?                         // R6: zero-cost gate
+   ├── CleanPlanner: for each partition, for each file group:
+   │     ├── Refactored policy method -> FileGroupCleanResult
+   │     └── If hasBlobColumns: Stage 1 per FG
+   ├── CleanPlanner: replaced file groups -> Stage 1
+   ├── If local orphan candidates non-empty: Stage 2
+   ├── Write sidecar Parquet to 
.hoodie/.aux/clean/<instant>.blob_deletes.parquet
+   ├── Build HoodieCleanerPlan with extraMetadata["blobDeletesPath"]
+   └── Persist plan to timeline (REQUESTED state)
+
+2. CleanActionExecutor.runClean()
+   ├── Transition to INFLIGHT
+   ├── Read sidecar Parquet (blob delete list)
+   ├── Delete file slices (existing, parallelized)
+   ├── Delete blob files (new, parallelized)          // parallel with file 
slice deletes

Review Comment:
   Decided against extending OCC for clean actions -- the check lives in 
`preCommit()` instead. The two questions are what drove that:
   
   **What `mutatedFileIds` would a clean report?** None that help. (The field 
is actually `mutatedPartitionAndFileIds`, `Set<Pair<partition,fileId>>`.) The 
only fileIds a clean has are the _expired_ slices it deletes, and by MVCC those 
never overlap a concurrent writer's new slices -- so the `(partition,fileId)` 
intersection is empty exactly when a blob conflict is real. The real conflict 
key is the external blob _path_, which that field can't hold.
   
   **Does `hasConflict` need a new path?** Yes, a new dimension -- it can't 
reuse the overlap logic. Blob paths don't map onto `(partition,fileId)`. 
Routing through OCC would mean: a `CLEAN_ACTION` case in both 
`ConcurrentOperation.init()` switches (throws today) with a new blob-path field 
read from the sidecar during metadata construction, a blob-path branch in 
`hasConflict`, and `CLEAN_ACTION` added to the 
`getInflightAndRequestedInstants()` / `getCandidateInstants()` whitelists -- 
four changes on the shared OCC path every writer hits, each gated on 
`hasBlobColumns` to preserve R6. Too much blast radius for a conflict that's 
genuinely a different axis.
   
   So instead the writer intersects its `HoodieWriteStat.externalBlobPaths` 
against the clean sidecar directly in `BaseHoodieWriteClient.preCommit()` -- 
ingestion and `insert_overwrite` only; table services just copy already-visible 
pointers, so they're covered by the replaced-FG lifecycle / compaction fencing. 
Zero change to `ConcurrentOperation` / `hasConflict`. Design doc updated under 
**"Why a targeted preCommit check, not an OCC extension"**, with the full OCC 
sketch kept as alternatives-considered.
   
   Separately: writing the ordering proof out properly surfaced a gap worth 
your eyes. `scheduleCleaning` snapshots liveness unlocked 
(`createCleanerPlan`), persists the plan under the lock 
(`saveToCleanRequested`), and deletes unlocked. A writer committing between the 
unlocked snapshot and the locked persist is invisible to both sides, producing 
a dangling reference -- so the preCommit check alone isn't sufficient as 
scheduled. Fix is a candidate re-validation under the lock, either at 
plan-persist (a) or at execution (b); I lean (b). Written up as **"Ordering 
Argument and the Planning-Snapshot Window"** -- would value your read on (a) vs 
(b).
   



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