Larry, Sorry for the delay answering. Thanks for laying down things, yes, it makes sense.
Given the large scope of the changes, number of JIRAs and number of developers involved, wouldn't make sense to create a feature branch for all this work not to destabilize (more ;) trunk? Thanks again. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Larry McCay <lmc...@hortonworks.com> wrote: > The following JIRA was filed to provide a token and basic authority > implementation for this effort: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-9781 > > I have attached an initial patch though have yet to submit it as one since > it is dependent on the patch for CMF that was posted to: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-9534 > and this patch still has a couple outstanding issues - javac warnings for > com.sun classes for certification generation and 11 javadoc warnings. > > Please feel free to review the patches and raise any questions or concerns > related to them. > > On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Larry McCay <lmc...@hortonworks.com> wrote: > > > Hello All - > > > > In an effort to scope an initial iteration that provides value to the > community while focusing on the pluggable authentication aspects, I've > written a description for "Iteration 1". It identifies the goal of the > iteration, the endstate and a set of initial usecases. It also enumerates > the components that are required for each usecase. There is a scope section > that details specific things that should be kept out of the first > iteration. This is certainly up for discussion. There may be some of these > things that can be contributed in short order. If we can add some things in > without unnecessary complexity for the identified usecases then we should. > > > > @Alejandro - please review this and see whether it satisfies your point > for a definition of what we are building. > > > > In addition to the document that I will paste here as text and attach a > pdf version, we have a couple patches for components that are identified in > the document. > > Specifically, COMP-7 and COMP-8. > > > > I will be posting COMP-8 patch to the HADOOP-9534 JIRA which was filed > specifically for that functionality. > > COMP-7 is a small set of classes to introduce JsonWebToken as the token > format and a basic JsonWebTokenAuthority that can issue and verify these > tokens. > > > > Since there is no JIRA for this yet, I will likely file a new JIRA for a > SSO token implementation. > > > > Both of these patches assume to be modules within > hadoop-common/hadoop-common-project. > > While they are relatively small, I think that they will be pulled in by > other modules such as hadoop-auth which would likely not want a dependency > on something larger like hadoop-common/hadoop-common-project/hadoop-common. > > > > This is certainly something that we should discuss within the community > for this effort though - that being, exactly how to add these libraries so > that they are most easily consumed by existing projects. > > > > Anyway, the following is the Iteration-1 document - it is also attached > as a pdf: > > > > Iteration 1: Pluggable User Authentication and Federation > > > > Introduction > > The intent of this effort is to bootstrap the development of pluggable > token-based authentication mechanisms to support certain goals of > enterprise authentication integrations. By restricting the scope of this > effort, we hope to provide immediate benefit to the community while keeping > the initial contribution to a manageable size that can be easily reviewed, > understood and extended with further development through follow up JIRAs > and related iterations. > > > > Iteration Endstate > > Once complete, this effort will have extended the authentication > mechanisms - for all client types - from the existing: Simple, Kerberos and > Plain (for RPC) to include LDAP authentication and SAML based federation. > In addition, the ability to provide additional/custom authentication > mechanisms will be enabled for users to plug in their preferred mechanisms. > > > > Project Scope > > The scope of this effort is a subset of the features covered by the > overviews of HADOOP-9392 and HADOOP-9533. This effort concentrates on > enabling Hadoop to issue, accept/validate SSO tokens of its own. The > pluggable authentication mechanism within SASL/RPC layer and the > authentication filter pluggability for REST and UI components will be > leveraged and extended to support the results of this effort. > > > > Out of Scope > > In order to scope the initial deliverable as the minimally viable > product, a handful of things have been simplified or left out of scope for > this effort. This is not meant to say that these aspects are not useful or > not needed but that they are not necessary for this iteration. We do > however need to ensure that we don’t do anything to preclude adding them in > future iterations. > > 1. Additional Attributes - the result of authentication will continue to > use the existing hadoop tokens and identity representations. Additional > attributes used for finer grained authorization decisions will be added > through follow-up efforts. > > 2. Token revocation - the ability to revoke issued identity tokens will > be added later > > 3. Multi-factor authentication - this will likely require additional > attributes and is not necessary for this iteration. > > 4. Authorization changes - we will require additional attributes for the > fine-grained access control plans. This is not needed for this iteration. > > 5. Domains - we assume a single flat domain for all users > > 6. Kinit alternative - we can leverage existing REST clients such as > cURL to retrieve tokens through authentication and federation for the time > being > > 7. A specific authentication framework isn’t really necessary within the > REST endpoints for this iteration. If one is available then we can use it > otherwise we can leverage existing things like Apache Shiro within a > servlet filter. > > > > In Scope > > What is in scope for this effort is defined by the usecases described > below. Components required for supporting the usecases are summarized for > each client type. Each component is a candidate for a JIRA subtask - though > multiple components are likely to be included in a JIRA to represent a set > of functionality rather than individual JIRAs per component. > > > > Terminology and Naming > > The terms and names of components within this document are merely > descriptive of the functionality that they represent. Any similarity or > difference in names or terms from those that are found in other documents > are not intended to make any statement about those other documents or the > descriptions within. This document represents the pluggable authentication > mechanisms and server functionality required to replace Kerberos. > > > > Ultimately, the naming of the implementation classes will be a product > of the patches accepted by the community. > > > > Usecases: > > client types: REST, CLI, UI > > authentication types: Simple, Kerberos, authentication/LDAP, > federation/SAML > > > > Simple and Kerberos > > Simple and Kerberos usecases continue to work as they do today. The > addition of Authentication/LDAP and Federation/SAML are added through the > existing pluggability points either as they are or with required extension. > Either way, continued support for Simple and Kerberos must not require > changes to existing deployments in the field as a result of this effort. > > > > REST > > USECASE REST-1 Authentication/LDAP: > > For REST clients, we will provide the ability to: > > 1. use cURL to Authenticate via LDAP through an IdP endpoint exposed by > an AuthenticationServer instance via REST calls to: > > a. authenticate - passing username/password returning a hadoop > id_token > > b. get-access-token - from the TokenGrantingService by passing the > hadoop id_token as an Authorization: Bearer token along with the desired > service name (master service name) returning a hadoop access token > > 2. Successfully invoke a hadoop service REST API passing the hadoop > access token through an HTTP header as an Authorization Bearer token > > a. validation of the incoming token on the service endpoint is > accomplished by an SSOAuthenticationHandler > > 3. Successfully block access to a REST resource when presenting a hadoop > access token intended for a different service > > a. validation of the incoming token on the service endpoint is > accomplished by an SSOAuthenticationHandler > > > > USECASE REST-2 Federation/SAML: > > We will also provide federation capabilities for REST clients such that: > > 1. acquire SAML assertion token from a trusted IdP (shibboleth?) and > persist in a permissions protected file - ie. ~/.hadoop_tokens/.idp_token > > 2. use cURL to Federate a token from a trusted IdP through an SP > endpoint exposed by an AuthenticationServer(FederationServer?) instance via > REST calls to: > > a. federate - passing a SAML assertion as an Authorization: Bearer > token returning a hadoop id_token > > - can copy and paste from commandline or use cat to include > persisted token through "--Header Authorization: Bearer 'cat > ~/.hadoop_tokens/.id_token'" > > b. get-access-token - from the TokenGrantingService by passing the > hadoop id_token as an Authorization: Bearer token along with the desired > service name (master service name) to the TokenGrantingService returning a > hadoop access token > > 3. Successfully invoke a hadoop service REST API passing the hadoop > access token through an HTTP header as an Authorization Bearer token > > a. validation of the incoming token on the service endpoint is > accomplished by an SSOAuthenticationHandler > > 4. Successfully block access to a REST resource when presenting a hadoop > access token intended for a different service > > a. validation of the incoming token on the service endpoint is > accomplished by an SSOAuthenticationHandler > > > > REQUIRED COMPONENTS for REST USECASES: > > COMP-1. REST client - cURL or similar > > COMP-2. REST endpoint for BASIC authentication to LDAP - IdP endpoint > example - returning hadoop id_token > > COMP-3. REST endpoint for federation with SAML Bearer token - shibboleth > SP?|OpenSAML? - returning hadoop id_token > > COMP-4. REST TokenGrantingServer endpoint for acquiring hadoop access > tokens from hadoop id_tokens > > COMP-5. SSOAuthenticationHandler to validate incoming hadoop access > tokens > > COMP-6. some source of a SAML assertion - shibboleth IdP? > > COMP-7. hadoop token and authority implementations > > COMP-8. core services for crypto support for signing, verifying and PKI > management > > > > CLI > > USECASE CLI-1 Authentication/LDAP: > > For CLI/RPC clients, we will provide the ability to: > > 1. use cURL to Authenticate via LDAP through an IdP endpoint exposed by > an AuthenticationServer instance via REST calls to: > > a. authenticate - passing username/password returning a hadoop > id_token > > - for RPC clients we need to persist the returned hadoop identity > token in a file protected by fs permissions so that it may be leveraged > until expiry > > - directing the returned response to a file may suffice for now > something like ">~/.hadoop_tokens/.id_token" > > 2. use hadoop CLI to invoke RPC API on a specific hadoop service > > a. RPC client negotiates a TokenAuth method through SASL layer, > hadoop id_token is retrieved from ~/.hadoop_tokens/.id_token is passed as > Authorization: Bearer token to the get-access-token REST endpoint exposed > by TokenGrantingService returning a hadoop access token > > b. RPC server side validates the presented hadoop access token and > continues to serve request > > c. Successfully invoke a hadoop service RPC API > > > > USECASE CLI-2 Federation/SAML: > > For CLI/RPC clients, we will provide the ability to: > > 1. acquire SAML assertion token from a trusted IdP (shibboleth?) and > persist in a permissions protected file - ie. ~/.hadoop_tokens/.idp_token > > 2. use cURL to Federate a token from a trusted IdP through an SP > endpoint exposed by an AuthenticationServer(FederationServer?) instance via > REST calls to: > > a. federate - passing a SAML assertion as an Authorization: Bearer > token returning a hadoop id_token > > - can copy and paste from commandline or use cat to include > previously persisted token through "--Header Authorization: Bearer 'cat > ~/.hadoop_tokens/.id_token'" > > 3. use hadoop CLI to invoke RPC API on a specific hadoop service > > a. RPC client negotiates a TokenAuth method through SASL layer, > hadoop id_token is retrieved from ~/.hadoop_tokens/.id_token is passed as > Authorization: Bearer token to the get-access-token REST endpoint exposed > by TokenGrantingService returning a hadoop access token > > b. RPC server side validates the presented hadoop access token and > continues to serve request > > c. Successfully invoke a hadoop service RPC API > > > > REQUIRED COMPONENTS for CLI USECASES - (beyond those required for REST): > > COMP-9. TokenAuth Method negotiation, etc > > COMP-10. Client side implementation to leverage REST endpoint for > acquiring hadoop access tokens given a hadoop id_token > > COMP-11. Server side implementation to validate incoming hadoop access > tokens > > > > UI > > Various Hadoop services have their own web UI consoles for > administration and end user interactions. These consoles need to also > benefit from the pluggability of authentication mechansims to be on par > with the access control of the cluster REST and RPC APIs. > > Web consoles are protected with an WebSSOAuthenticationHandler which > will be configured for either authentication or federation. > > > > USECASE UI-1 Authentication/LDAP: > > For the authentication usecase: > > 1. User’s browser requests access to a UI console page > > 2. WebSSOAuthenticationHandler intercepts the request and redirects the > browser to an IdP web endpoint exposed by the AuthenticationServer passing > the requested url as the redirect_url > > 3. IdP web endpoint presents the user with a FORM over https > > a. user provides username/password and submits the FORM > > 4. AuthenticationServer authenticates the user with provided credentials > against the configured LDAP server and: > > a. leverages a servlet filter or other authentication mechanism for > the endpoint and authenticates the user with a simple LDAP bind with > username and password > > b. acquires a hadoop id_token and uses it to acquire the required > hadoop access token which is added as a cookie > > c. redirects the browser to the original service UI resource via the > provided redirect_url > > 5. WebSSOAuthenticationHandler for the original UI resource interrogates > the incoming request again for an authcookie that contains an access token > upon finding one: > > a. validates the incoming token > > b. returns the AuthenticationToken as per AuthenticationHandler > contract > > c. AuthenticationFilter adds the hadoop auth cookie with the expected > token > > d. serves requested resource for valid tokens > > e. subsequent requests are handled by the AuthenticationFilter > recognition of the hadoop auth cookie > > > > USECASE UI-2 Federation/SAML: > > For the federation usecase: > > 1. User’s browser requests access to a UI console page > > 2. WebSSOAuthenticationHandler intercepts the request and redirects the > browser to an SP web endpoint exposed by the AuthenticationServer passing > the requested url as the redirect_url. This endpoint: > > a. is dedicated to redirecting to the external IdP passing the > required parameters which may include a redirect_url back to itself as well > as encoding the original redirect_url so that it can determine it on the > way back to the client > > 3. the IdP: > > a. challenges the user for credentials and authenticates the user > > b. creates appropriate token/cookie and redirects back to the > AuthenticationServer endpoint > > 4. AuthenticationServer endpoint: > > a. extracts the expected token/cookie from the incoming request and > validates it > > b. creates a hadoop id_token > > c. acquires a hadoop access token for the id_token > > d. creates appropriate cookie and redirects back to the original > redirect_url - being the requested resource > > 5. WebSSOAuthenticationHandler for the original UI resource interrogates > the incoming request again for an authcookie that contains an access token > upon finding one: > > a. validates the incoming token > > b. returns the AuthenticationToken as per AuthenticationHandler > contrac > > c. AuthenticationFilter adds the hadoop auth cookie with the expected > token > > d. serves requested resource for valid tokens > > e. subsequent requests are handled by the AuthenticationFilter > recognition of the hadoop auth cookie > > REQUIRED COMPONENTS for UI USECASES: > > COMP-12. WebSSOAuthenticationHandler > > COMP-13. IdP Web Endpoint within AuthenticationServer for FORM based > login > > COMP-14. SP Web Endpoint within AuthenticationServer for 3rd party token > federation > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Brian Swan <brian.s...@microsoft.com> > wrote: > > Thanks, Larry. That is what I was trying to say, but you've said it > better and in more detail. :-) To extract from what you are saying: "If we > were to reframe the immediate scope to the lowest common denominator of > what is needed for accepting tokens in authentication plugins then we > gain... an end-state for the lowest common denominator that enables code > patches in the near-term is the best of both worlds." > > > > -Brian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry McCay [mailto:lmc...@hortonworks.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 10:40 AM > > To: common-dev@hadoop.apache.org > > Cc: da...@yahoo-inc.com; Kai Zheng; Alejandro Abdelnur > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Hadoop SSO/Token Server Components > > > > It seems to me that we can have the best of both worlds here...it's all > about the scoping. > > > > If we were to reframe the immediate scope to the lowest common > denominator of what is needed for accepting tokens in authentication > plugins then we gain: > > > > 1. a very manageable scope to define and agree upon 2. a deliverable > that should be useful in and of itself 3. a foundation for community > collaboration that we build on for higher level solutions built on this > lowest common denominator and experience as a working community > > > > So, to Alejandro's point, perhaps we need to define what would make #2 > above true - this could serve as the "what" we are building instead of the > "how" to build it. > > Including: > > a. project structure within hadoop-common-project/common-security or the > like b. the usecases that would need to be enabled to make it a self > contained and useful contribution - without higher level solutions c. the > JIRA/s for contributing patches d. what specific patches will be needed to > accomplished the usecases in #b > > > > In other words, an end-state for the lowest common denominator that > enables code patches in the near-term is the best of both worlds. > > > > I think this may be a good way to bootstrap the collaboration process > for our emerging security community rather than trying to tackle a huge > vision all at once. > > > > @Alejandro - if you have something else in mind that would bootstrap > this process - that would great - please advise. > > > > thoughts? > > > > On Jul 10, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Brian Swan <brian.s...@microsoft.com> > wrote: > > > > > Hi Alejandro, all- > > > > > > There seems to be agreement on the broad stroke description of the > components needed to achieve pluggable token authentication (I'm sure I'll > be corrected if that isn't the case). However, discussion of the details of > those components doesn't seem to be moving forward. I think this is because > the details are really best understood through code. I also see *a* (i.e. > one of many possible) token format and pluggable authentication mechanisms > within the RPC layer as components that can have immediate benefit to > Hadoop users AND still allow flexibility in the larger design. So, I think > the best way to move the conversation of "what we are aiming for" forward > is to start looking at code for these components. I am especially > interested in moving forward with pluggable authentication mechanisms > within the RPC layer and would love to see what others have done in this > area (if anything). > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > -Brian > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Alejandro Abdelnur [mailto:t...@cloudera.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 8:15 AM > > > To: Larry McCay > > > Cc: common-dev@hadoop.apache.org; da...@yahoo-inc.com; Kai Zheng > > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Hadoop SSO/Token Server Components > > > > > > Larry, all, > > > > > > Still is not clear to me what is the end state we are aiming for, or > that we even agree on that. > > > > > > IMO, Instead trying to agree what to do, we should first agree on the > final state, then we see what should be changed to there there, then we see > how we change things to get there. > > > > > > The different documents out there focus more on how. > > > > > > We not try to say how before we know what. > > > > > > Thx. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Larry McCay <lmc...@hortonworks.com> > wrote: > > > > > >> All - > > >> > > >> After combing through this thread - as well as the summit session > > >> summary thread, I think that we have the following two items that we > > >> can probably move forward with: > > >> > > >> 1. TokenAuth method - assuming this means the pluggable > > >> authentication mechanisms within the RPC layer (2 votes: Kai and > > >> Kyle) 2. An actual Hadoop Token format (2 votes: Brian and myself) > > >> > > >> I propose that we attack both of these aspects as one. Let's provide > > >> the structure and interfaces of the pluggable framework for use in > > >> the RPC layer through leveraging Daryn's pluggability work and POC it > > >> with a particular token format (not necessarily the only format ever > > >> supported - we just need one to start). If there has already been > > >> work done in this area by anyone then please speak up and commit to > > >> providing a patch - so that we don't duplicate effort. > > >> > > >> @Daryn - is there a particular Jira or set of Jiras that we can look > > >> at to discern the pluggability mechanism details? Documentation of it > > >> would be great as well. > > >> @Kai - do you have existing code for the pluggable token > > >> authentication mechanism - if not, we can take a stab at representing > > >> it with interfaces and/or POC code. > > >> I can standup and say that we have a token format that we have been > > >> working with already and can provide a patch that represents it as a > > >> contribution to test out the pluggable tokenAuth. > > >> > > >> These patches will provide progress toward code being the central > > >> discussion vehicle. As a community, we can then incrementally build > > >> on that foundation in order to collaboratively deliver the common > vision. > > >> > > >> In the absence of any other home for posting such patches, let's > > >> assume that they will be attached to HADOOP-9392 - or a dedicated > > >> subtask for this particular aspect/s - I will leave that detail to > Kai. > > >> > > >> @Alejandro, being the only voice on this thread that isn't > > >> represented in the votes above, please feel free to agree or disagree > with this direction. > > >> > > >> thanks, > > >> > > >> --larry > > >> > > >> On Jul 5, 2013, at 3:24 PM, Larry McCay <lmc...@hortonworks.com> > wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi Andy - > > >>> > > >>>> Happy Fourth of July to you and yours. > > >>> > > >>> Same to you and yours. :-) > > >>> We had some fun in the sun for a change - we've had nothing but rain > > >>> on > > >> the east coast lately. > > >>> > > >>>> My concern here is there may have been a misinterpretation or lack > > >>>> of consensus on what is meant by "clean slate" > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Apparently so. > > >>> On the pre-summit call, I stated that I was interested in > > >>> reconciling > > >> the jiras so that we had one to work from. > > >>> > > >>> You recommended that we set them aside for the time being - with the > > >> understanding that work would continue on your side (and our's as > > >> well) - and approach the community discussion from a clean slate. > > >>> We seemed to do this at the summit session quite well. > > >>> It was my understanding that this community discussion would live > > >>> beyond > > >> the summit and continue on this list. > > >>> > > >>> While closing the summit session we agreed to follow up on > > >>> common-dev > > >> with first a summary then a discussion of the moving parts. > > >>> > > >>> I never expected the previous work to be abandoned and fully > > >>> expected it > > >> to inform the discussion that happened here. > > >>> > > >>> If you would like to reframe what clean slate was supposed to mean > > >>> or > > >> describe what it means now - that would be welcome - before I waste > > >> anymore time trying to facilitate a community discussion that is > > >> apparently not wanted. > > >>> > > >>>> Nowhere in this > > >>>> picture are self appointed "master JIRAs" and such, which have been > > >>>> disappointing to see crop up, we should be collaboratively coding > > >>>> not planting flags. > > >>> > > >>> I don't know what you mean by self-appointed master JIRAs. > > >>> It has certainly not been anyone's intention to disappoint. > > >>> Any mention of a new JIRA was just to have a clear context to gather > > >>> the > > >> agreed upon points - previous and/or existing JIRAs would easily be > linked. > > >>> > > >>> Planting flags... I need to go back and read my discussion point > > >>> about the > > >> JIRA and see how this is the impression that was made. > > >>> That is not how I define success. The only flags that count is code. > > >> What we are lacking is the roadmap on which to put the code. > > >>> > > >>>> I read Kai's latest document as something approaching today's > > >>>> consensus > > >> (or > > >>>> at least a common point of view?) rather than a historical document. > > >>>> Perhaps he and it can be given equal share of the consideration. > > >>> > > >>> I definitely read it as something that has evolved into something > > >> approaching what we have been talking about so far. There has not > > >> however been enough discussion anywhere near the level of detail in > > >> that document and more details are needed for each component in the > design. > > >>> Why the work in that document should not be fed into the community > > >> discussion as anyone else's would be - I fail to understand. > > >>> > > >>> My suggestion continues to be that you should take that document and > > >> speak to the inventory of moving parts as we agreed. > > >>> As these are agreed upon, we will ensure that the appropriate > > >>> subtasks > > >> are filed against whatever JIRA is to host them - don't really care > > >> much which it is. > > >>> > > >>> I don't really want to continue with two separate JIRAs - as I > > >>> stated > > >> long ago - but until we understand what the pieces are and how they > > >> relate then they can't be consolidated. > > >>> Even if 9533 ended up being repurposed as the server instance of the > > >> work - it should be a subtask of a larger one - if that is to be > > >> 9392, so be it. > > >>> We still need to define all the pieces of the larger picture before > > >>> that > > >> can be done. > > >>> > > >>> What I thought was the clean slate approach to the discussion seemed > > >>> a > > >> very reasonable way to make all this happen. > > >>> If you would like to restate what you intended by it or something > > >>> else > > >> equally as reasonable as a way to move forward that would be awesome. > > >>> > > >>> I will be happy to work toward the roadmap with everyone once it is > > >> articulated, understood and actionable. > > >>> In the meantime, I have work to do. > > >>> > > >>> thanks, > > >>> > > >>> --larry > > >>> > > >>> BTW - I meant to quote you in an earlier response and ended up > > >>> saying it > > >> was Aaron instead. Not sure what happened there. :-) > > >>> > > >>> On Jul 4, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurt...@apache.org> > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Hi Larry (and all), > > >>>> > > >>>> Happy Fourth of July to you and yours. > > >>>> > > >>>> In our shop Kai and Tianyou are already doing the coding, so I'd > > >>>> defer > > >> to > > >>>> them on the detailed points. > > >>>> > > >>>> My concern here is there may have been a misinterpretation or lack > > >>>> of consensus on what is meant by "clean slate". Hopefully that can > > >>>> be > > >> quickly > > >>>> cleared up. Certainly we did not mean ignore all that came before. > > >>>> The > > >> idea > > >>>> was to reset discussions to find common ground and new direction > > >>>> where > > >> we > > >>>> are working together, not in conflict, on an agreed upon set of > > >>>> design points and tasks. There's been a lot of good discussion and > > >>>> design preceeding that we should figure out how to port over. > > >>>> Nowhere in this picture are self appointed "master JIRAs" and such, > > >>>> which have been disappointing to see crop up, we should be > > >>>> collaboratively coding not planting flags. > > >>>> > > >>>> I read Kai's latest document as something approaching today's > > >>>> consensus > > >> (or > > >>>> at least a common point of view?) rather than a historical document. > > >>>> Perhaps he and it can be given equal share of the consideration. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Wednesday, July 3, 2013, Larry McCay wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Hey Andrew - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I largely agree with that statement. > > >>>>> My intention was to let the differences be worked out within the > > >>>>> individual components once they were identified and subtasks > created. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> My reference to HSSO was really referring to a SSO *server* based > > >> design > > >>>>> which was not clearly articulated in the earlier documents. > > >>>>> We aren't trying to compare and contrast one design over another > > >> anymore. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Let's move this collaboration along as we've mapped out and the > > >>>>> differences in the details will reveal themselves and be addressed > > >> within > > >>>>> their components. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I've actually been looking forward to you weighing in on the > > >>>>> actual discussion points in this thread. > > >>>>> Could you do that? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> At this point, I am most interested in your thoughts on a single > > >>>>> jira > > >> to > > >>>>> represent all of this work and whether we should start discussing > > >>>>> the > > >> SSO > > >>>>> Tokens. > > >>>>> If you think there are discussion points missing from that list, > > >>>>> feel > > >> free > > >>>>> to add to it. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> thanks, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> --larry > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurt...@apache.org> > > >> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Hi Larry, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Of course I'll let Kai speak for himself. However, let me point > > >>>>>> out > > >> that, > > >>>>>> while the differences between the competing JIRAs have been > > >>>>>> reduced > > >> for > > >>>>>> sure, there were some key differences that didn't just disappear. > > >>>>>> Subsequent discussion will make that clear. I also disagree with > > >>>>>> your characterization that we have simply endorsed all of the > > >>>>>> design > > >> decisions > > >>>>>> of the so-called HSSO, this is taking a mile from an inch. We are > > >> here to > > >>>>>> engage in a collaborative process as peers. I've been encouraged > > >>>>>> by > > >> the > > >>>>>> spirit of the discussions up to this point and hope that can > > >>>>>> continue beyond one design summit. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Larry McCay > > >>>>>> <lmc...@hortonworks.com> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Hi Kai - > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I think that I need to clarify something... > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> This is not an update for 9533 but a continuation of the > > >>>>>>> discussions > > >>>>> that > > >>>>>>> are focused on a fresh look at a SSO for Hadoop. > > >>>>>>> We've agreed to leave our previous designs behind and therefore > > >>>>>>> we > > >>>>> aren't > > >>>>>>> really seeing it as an HSSO layered on top of TAS approach or an > > >> HSSO vs > > >>>>>>> TAS discussion. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Your latest design revision actually makes it clear that you are > > >>>>>>> now targeting exactly what was described as HSSO - so comparing > > >>>>>>> and > > >>>>> contrasting > > >>>>>>> is not going to add any value. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> What we need you to do at this point, is to look at those > > >>>>>>> high-level components described on this thread and comment on > > >>>>>>> whether we need additional components or any that are listed > > >>>>>>> that don't seem > > >> necessary > > >>>>> to > > >>>>>>> you and why. > > >>>>>>> In other words, we need to define and agree on the work that has > > >>>>>>> to > > >> be > > >>>>>>> done. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> We also need to determine those components that need to be done > > >> before > > >>>>>>> anything else can be started. > > >>>>>>> I happen to agree with Brian that #4 Hadoop SSO Tokens are > > >>>>>>> central to > > >>>>> all > > >>>>>>> the other components and should probably be defined and POC'd in > > >> short > > >>>>>>> order. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Personally, I think that continuing the separation of 9533 and > > >>>>>>> 9392 > > >> will > > >>>>>>> do this effort a disservice. There doesn't seem to be enough > > >> differences > > >>>>>>> between the two to justify separate jiras anymore. It may be > > >>>>>>> best to > > >>>>> file a > > >>>>>>> new one that reflects a single vision without the extra cruft > > >>>>>>> that > > >> has > > >>>>>>> built up in either of the existing ones. We would certainly > > >>>>>>> reference > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>> existing ones within the new one. This approach would align with > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>> spirit > > >>>>>>> of the discussions up to this point. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I am prepared to start a discussion around the shape of the two > > >> Hadoop > > >>>>> SSO > > >>>>>>> tokens: identity and access. If this is what others feel the > > >>>>>>> next > > >> topic > > >>>>>>> should be. > > >>>>>>> If we can identify a jira home for it, we can do it there - > > >> otherwise we > > >>>>>>> can create another DISCUSS thread for it. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> thanks, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> --larry > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 2:39 PM, "Zheng, Kai" <kai.zh...@intel.com> > > >> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Hi Larry, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Thanks for the update. Good to see that with this update we are > > >>>>>>>> now > > >>>>>>> aligned on most points. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> I have also updated our TokenAuth design in HADOOP-9392. The > > >>>>>>>> new > > >>>>>>> revision incorporates feedback and suggestions in related > > >>>>>>> discussion > > >>>>> with > > >>>>>>> the community, particularly from Microsoft and others attending > > >>>>>>> the Security design lounge session at the Hadoop summit. Summary > > >>>>>>> of the > > >>>>> changes: > > >>>>>>>> 1. Revised the approach to now use two tokens, Identity Token > > >> plus > > >>>>>>> Access Token, particularly considering our authorization > > >>>>>>> framework > > >> and > > >>>>>>> compatibility with HSSO; > > >>>>>>>> 2. Introduced Authorization Server (AS) from our > authorization > > >>>>>>> framework into the flow that issues access tokens for clients > > >>>>>>> with > > >>>>> identity > > >>>>>>> tokens to access services; > > >>>>>>>> 3. Refined proxy access token and the proxy/impersonation > flow; > > >>>>>>>> 4. Refined the browser web SSO flow regarding access to > Hadoop > > >> web > > >>>>>>> services; > > >>>>>>>> 5. Added Hadoop RPC access flow regard > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Best regards, > > >>>> > > >>>> - Andy > > >>>> > > >>>> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet > > >>>> Hein (via Tom White) > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Alejandro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Iteration1PluggableUserAuthenticationandFederation.pdf> > > -- Alejandro
