Hi,

I wonder if anyone can help on resolving HADOOP-11320
<https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-11320> to increase timeout
for jenkins test of crossing-subproject patches?

Thanks a lot,

--Yongjun

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Yongjun Zhang <yzh...@cloudera.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thank you all for the input.
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HADOOP-11320
>
> was created for this issue. Welcome to give your further comments there.
>
> Best,
>
> --Yongjun
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Colin McCabe <cmcc...@alumni.cmu.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> +1 for increasing the test timeout for tests spanning multiple
>> sub-projects.
>>
>> I can see the value in what Steve L. suggested... if you make a major
>> change that touches a particular subproject, you should try to get the
>> approval of a committer who knows that subproject.  But I don't think that
>> forcing artificial patch splits is the way to do this...  There are also
>> some patches that are completely mechanical and don't really require the
>> involvement of YARN / HDFS committer, even if they change that project.
>> For example, fixing a misspelling in the name of a hadoop-common API.
>>
>> Colin
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Yongjun Zhang <yzh...@cloudera.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks all for the feedback. To summarize (and I have a suggestion at
>> the
>> > end of this email), there are two scenarios:
>> >
>> >    1. A change that span multiple *bigger* projects. r.g. hadoop, hbase.
>> >    2. A change that span multiple *sub* projects* within hadoop, e.g.,
>> >    common, hdfs, yarn
>> >
>> > For 1, it's required for the change to be backward compatible, thus
>> > splitting change for multiple *bigger* projects is a must.
>> >
>> > For 2, there are two sub types,
>> >
>> >    - 2.1 those changes that can be made within hadoop sub-projects, and
>> >    there is no external impact
>> >    - 2.2 those changes that have external impact, that is, the changes
>> >    involve adding new APIs and marking old API deprecated, and
>> > corresponding
>> >    changes in other *bigger* projects will have to be made
>> independently.
>> > *But
>> >    the changes within hadoop subjects can still be done altogether.*
>> >
>> > I think (Please correct me if I'm wrong):
>> >
>> >    - What Colin referred to is 2.1 and changes within hadoop
>> sub-subjects
>> >    for 2.2;
>> >    - Steve's "not for changes across hadoop-common and hdfs, or
>> >    hadoop-common and yarn" means 2.1, Steve's  "changes that only
>> >    span hdfs-and-yarn would be fairly doubtful too." implies his doubt
>> of
>> >    existence of 2.1.
>> >
>> > For changes of 2.1 (if any) and *hadoop* changes of 2.2, we do have an
>> > option of making the change across all hadoop sub-projects altogether,
>> to
>> > save the multiple steps Colin referred to.
>> >
>> > If this option is feasible, should we consider increasing the jenkins
>> > timeout for this kind of changes (I mean making the timeout adjustable,
>> if
>> > it's for single sub-project, use the old timeout; otherwise, increase
>> > accordingly)  so that we have at least this option when needed?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > --Yongjun
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:28 AM, Steve Loughran <ste...@hortonworks.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 25 November 2014 at 00:58, Bernd Eckenfels <e...@zusammenkunft.net
>> >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hello,
>> > > >
>> > > > Am Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:16:00 -0800
>> > > > schrieb Colin McCabe <cmcc...@alumni.cmu.edu>:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Conceptually, I think it's important to support patches that
>> modify
>> > > > > multiple sub-projects.  Otherwise refactoring things in common
>> > > > > becomes a multi-step process.
>> > > >
>> > > > This might be rather philosophical (and I dont want to argue the
>> need
>> > > > to have the patch infrastructure work for the multi-project case),
>> > > > howevere if a multi-project change cannot be applied in multiple
>> steps
>> > > > it is probably also not safe at runtime (unless the multiple
>> projects
>> > > > belong to a single instance/artifact). And then beeing forced to
>> > > > commit/compile/test in multiple steps actually increases the
>> > > > dependencies topology.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > +1 for changes that span, say hadoop and hbase. but not for changes
>> > across
>> > > hadoop-common and hdfs, or hadoop-common and yarn. changes that only
>> span
>> > > hdfs-and-yarn would be fairly doubtful too.
>> > >
>> > > there is a dependency graph in hadoop's own jars —and cross module
>> (not
>> > > cross project) changes do need to happen.
>> > >
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