Hmm, actually I spent some time this week with jetspeed/turbine/torque and, well, I 
kinda felt that I was looking from something that I could 'plug-in' vs. a development 
framework.

Altho, Turbine wld i guess match my comment of a 'struts for the backend', I guess I 
need to narrow it down more towards a specific bean <-> database persistence framework.

I am checking out tho, the other 2 links that were sent earlier.

Thanks to all

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From:   John McNally [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Mon 3/11/2002 2:59 PM
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Subject:        Re: Db bean issue
jakarta-turbine-torque

john mcnally

Jason R Lee wrote:
> 
> Hello anyone who's out there,
> 
> I have an 'issue' that is rearing its head again and wld like to get anyones take on 
>it. It concerns beans & db and the lack (or maybe not) of a kinda jakarta 
>proj/framework like struts, but addresses the back end.
> 
> I know, there's EJB, etc... But, after working on EJB and non-EJB projects, I'm not 
>convinved EJB is any more scalable or distributable than a good implementation of 
>data aware beans - or something along those lines.
> 
> I helped design a quite popular, big air travel site that took a non-EJB approach 
>and worked well and scaled across 15 Sun boxes without a hitch. However, the 
>implementation was a little complex and now that I'm working on another project, I'd 
>like to have the same thing at a simpler level.
> 
> So I guess I'm just kinda saying hi to the Commons proj and trying to see if anyone 
>has thought about this issue. Especially since there is no Jakarta sub-project or 
>Commons portion addressing this issue.
> 
> Thanks and hi,
> 
> - Jason
> 
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