This proposal has merit, in that it allows the main dev list room to breathe for discussion, which should be its primary purpose. It also has a very clear benefit in mail archive - in fact its really pretty essential for that.

Some of the negative respones have focussed around what the needs of committers are, but I'd argue that we should be focussing on the needs of the 'users' - ie those who want to follow commons discussions, maybe chip in occasionaly, but are not interested in contributing/commiting. An excess of what can feel like spam will put some of these people off.

The proposal suggests two new lists, but I'd argue thats unecessary. One for svn, jira, wiki and gump is all thats needed. Basically everythng that is non-discussion and *might* be regarded as 'spam'.

So, +1 to one new list, commons-auto? commons-build?, commons-gen?

Or perhaps this should be a jakarta-wide list if we are one-jakarta ;-)

Stephen


Henri Yandell wrote:
A while back Maven moved to having the commits and issues on different
mailing lists and it seems to be going well.

So I'd like to suggest:

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I think the wiki notifications should stay on the dev list as they're
relatively low in number and they don't require any kind of restricted
authentication to get involved with. Any contributor can hop in and
fix a spelling mistake.

The obvious worry is over new committers not subscribing to those
lists. Firstly we can obviously make a point of mentioning that to new
committers - but mostly I think the number of Re: svn commit and Re:
[JIRA] emails that will appear will make them wonder what they're
missing.

Another advantage of the above just happened on the Tomcat list. A
mistake by a committer caused 2700 svn commits to be sent out (to
nearly 1000 subscribers). The ASF mail server took a good many hours
to recover - most of the day I think. So both those kind of errors,
and the large JIRA reorgs we've been doing would be hitting less
people.

One question:

Do we automatically subscribe everyone on dev@ and let them
unsubscribe. Or start the lists empty.

Hen

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