Don't mix up two different matters.
Am 17.05.2011 18:07, schrieb Andreas Kolbe:
--- On *Tue, 17/5/11, Tobias Oelgarte
/<tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com>/*wrote:
If we buy this contributions with a loss of liberty. Then yes.
Nothing is as worthy as liberty.
There is more than one way to view this.
One could equally say that the price we are paying for having your
images is the loss of
freedom to put a truly educational image on the main page. It is
embarrassment for John
and Craig. It includes that people who could provide tremendous
support to our project
may not provide it, resulting in the loss of hundreds of thousands of
images more valuable
and notable than your original art, and a perception of Foundation
projects as puerile and not
worthy of serious attention.
But then you think Commons is "bullshit" anyway -- apart from the fact
that it gives you a
platform to broadcast your fan art to the world, and shout "censorship".
Andreas
Am 17.05.2011 10:22, schrieb Gnangarra:
Is this picture worth more than 137,000 news images,
Is this picture worth the loss of xontributions from GLAM
organisations
Is this picture worth the cost of denying other contributors the
opportunity to participate.
On 17 May 2011 16:16, Tobias Oelgarte
<tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com
</mc/compose?to=tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
Am 17.05.2011 02:34, schrieb Neil Kandalgaonkar:
> On 5/16/11 8:21 PM, Cary Bass wrote:
>> We need an active group of contributors who represent at
the very least
>> some cross-section of not only Commons contributors but of
interested
>> re-users of Commons content to actively monitor and
maintain the POTD.
>> This is not the first time that something inappropriate
for Main Page
>> content has appeared and I doubt it will be the last.
> That is definitely a practical solution. POTD are scheduled
long in
> advance, so that could solve the problems here pretty
quickly. The image
> in question is, IMO, unambiguously inappropriate for
Commons, and this
> shouldn't have been a difficult debate.
>
> On the other hand it feels a bit wrong to me. In that case
we're asking
> groups that are relatively underrepresented in Wiki culture
to take on
> the role of policing. I feel like they ought to have some
rights to a
> welcoming environment as a baseline. That said, in a wiki
context, it
> seems to be impossible to achieve such baseline freedoms,
as long as the
> offenders have large amounts of free time.
>
> So some people are going to have to make the sacrifices to
change the
> culture.
>
> Another worry: if there's a "quality control board",
officially or
> unofficially, they can start to take that role too
seriously or become
> captured by various radical factions. But I guess we have
to take that
> chance.
>
>
Another board for decisions? Just leave the communities
alone. They can
handle it very well on their own. Any board i know failed in
so many
points. An good example from the German Wikipedia is the
"Schiedsgericht". This is the last call if some users can't
be stopped
from offending each other. But this board isn't trusted at
all and
constantly breaks down. Just because it is seen as needless.
What im seeing here is the construction of an government
which isn't
even democratic, getting very close to a dictatorship. Or as
we said in
the GDR: One party, elected by itself.
Tobias
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