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> On 3 Jul 2019, at 19:35, hkari...@isoc.or.ke wrote: > > Taiwo, > I am a first time Afrinic 30 fellow and attended the last AIS meeting in > Kampala and therefore by extension an Afrinic Alumni. I can confirm that we > were given summary and links to the policies before the meeting. We also had > a webinar before the meeting and materials emailed to us and onsite > discussions and after we join the mailing lists to continue learning and > contributing to policy discussions. > Regards, > Hellen > > >> On 2019-07-02 16:25, Taiwo Oyewande wrote: >> Hi all, >> Taking a good look at this resource, it is obviously a summary of the >> policies to be discussed. >> Larus fellowship tends towards promoting the youth - students >> included-. I think this summary will be a good starting point for new >> members who are fresh in the policy development process. >> On this note, i will like to encourage Afrinic to emulate the >> foundation and come up with an official summary like this before every >> meeting to enable new and interested members get up to speed quickly. >> Cheers. >> Taiwo O >>> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 20:36, Andrew Alston >>> <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> wrote: >>>> Wafa, >>>> So – let me say this. I see a document here – which lays out >>>> the policies – and provides a perspective of problems, it also >>>> lists the pros and cons. Yes, Lazarus may have used the >>>> foundation to lobby for its position, but – one of the things >>>> that I have long accepted in my life is – if you believe in >>>> something – you have to lobby for it – and to be frank – the >>>> summary that I see in this document – is something that by and >>>> large – should have been done long before they got around to it. >>>> If I, as an individual, feel strongly about something, I am >>>> entirely free to go and advocate for my position. I am also >>>> entirely free to sponsor people to come to a public meeting – >>>> and I am entirely free to choose those people as I so wish, if I >>>> choose the people who agree with me, well, that’s life – but >>>> it certainly aint against the rules, it is the political nature of >>>> internet policy development. Do you think that similar does not >>>> happen elsewhere? People lobby for the positions that they care >>>> about. It happens in politics, it happens in life, and yet now we >>>> want to cry when someone else does the same thing. >>>> Let me also say – it’s not like this hasn’t been happening >>>> before – and I want to quote from the OIF website: _IOF >>>> ORGANISES POLITICAL ACTIVITIES AND ACTIONS OF MULTILATERAL >>>> COOPERATION THAT BENEFIT FRENCH-SPEAKING POPULATIONS.___ >>>> Yet – this is an organization that for years has spent money >>>> filling the room with people – and that statement does not say >>>> – is of benefit to Africa – it does not say is of benefit to >>>> the African continent – it does not say is to the benefit of the >>>> continent – it singles out a single demographic on the continent >>>> and says – we do what we do for their benefit. Now, let me be >>>> very clear, if they wish to do that – I’m actually ok with it >>>> – though I admit I have waivered on this stance – however, we >>>> cannot say – because it’s a government political organization >>>> – it’s ok – but when a member chooses to have a foundation >>>> – and sponsor people to the meetings – and then lobby for the >>>> positions that member is passionate about – suddenly its wrong. >>>> That is called hypocrisy. >>>> In Point Noire, I watched people walk to the microphone – with >>>> slips of paper and read a comment on a policy – and then go and >>>> sit down – and the same happened in Botswana. Except, what I >>>> found was, when queried on the position that was taken at the >>>> microphone, the individual reading what they had off the paper, >>>> had patently obviously never read the policy and didn’t >>>> understand the position they were taking themselves. So who was >>>> behind that? And all of that – is on video for the world to see >>>> – but – it was ok then – suddenly it changes now because we >>>> don’t like the individual doing it? >>>> Sorry – this isn’t the way it works – and let me be clear >>>> – Lu Heng is not a friend of mine, and in fact in Mauritius I >>>> had some pretty strong things to say to him to his face, in front >>>> of others who will testify to what I said to him – however – I >>>> respect his rights as a member to participate in what is >>>> essentially a democratic process, that means – I respect his >>>> right to lobby for his views, I respect his right to put boots on >>>> the ground, and I respect his right to have his say. In the same >>>> way – I respect the right of any member to do that – and I >>>> respect the right of the members to then rebut what is said if >>>> they do not agree with it. It is through this lobbying position >>>> and through the back and forth that accompanies it, that great >>>> policy is born – it is not through acquiescence, nor is it >>>> through the silencing of the rights of others. >>>> My view – if anyone wants to come into the room and have their >>>> say – so be it – that is bottom up. If people want to lobby >>>> their positions – so be it – that is bottom up. If people >>>> want to spend money running tv adverts about their positions for >>>> all I care – so be it – that is the nature of the democratic >>>> position. If people want to bus a thousand people who share their >>>> views – again – so be it – that is the democratic process. >>>> However, it is the community who then need to rebut – but – >>>> the rebuttal should be on the policy itself. What I see here >>>> however, is a rebuttal of policy and a lobbying position taken on >>>> the *CONTENT* of the policy – unlike what I have seen time and >>>> again in the meetings where the lobbying position has NOTHING to >>>> do with the content or the policy. >>>> So rather than malign Lazarus for their actions here – quite >>>> frankly, reading this document, and as much as as I have said, Lu >>>> and I have some serious differences, I applaud Lazarus for the >>>> comprehensive work – and I applaud them for taking a stance that >>>> was based on the policy and I embrace their right to lobby for >>>> their position in any way shape or form. That is not to say I >>>> agree with the positions taken in this document – I will reserve >>>> my policy comments for the policies and based on my own >>>> interpretation of such – but – I embrace the fact that at >>>> least, it was done based on what was written, and not on personal >>>> relationships, personal attacks, demographics, or anything else. >>>> So – to Lazarus – thank you for a job well done in the fact >>>> that you lobbied your position based on the policies – and left >>>> the other garbage behind, which is what we so often see. >>>> Finally – again – I respect the right to do what they did – >>>> and >>>> _THAT IS DEMOCRATIC_ >>>> Thanks >>>> Andrew >>>> FROM: wafa DAHMANI <w...@ati.tn> >>>> SENT: Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:30 >>>> TO: community-discuss@afrinic.net >>>> CC: r...@afrinic.net >>>> SUBJECT: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship >>>> Hi >>>> It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus >>>> foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in >>>> Kampala, were given a confidential Education package on AFRINIC >>>> Number Resources Policy proposals detailed in the following link: >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg >>>> The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation >>>> views of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG >>>> participants interventions on the proposals. >>>> The education package so proposed intends to condition these >>>> participants views on the proposals and their contributions at >>>> the PPM and after.... >>>> I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual >>>> willing to participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to >>>> know who is behind each source email address... only opinions >>>> expressed in the context of the PDP matter. The substance of >>>> contribution really matter. Diversity of views are encouraged. >>>> Lack of disagreement is more important than of agreement. Also >>>> PDP is not a matter of volume, repetition or persistence. >>>> RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear on these aspects of the rough >>>> consensus process. >>>> Section 6 >>>> One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough >>>> consensus. >>>> Section 7 >>>> Five people for and one hundred people against might still be >>>> rough consensus >>>> My African fellows, >>>> Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process >>>> is legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting was >>>> useful to you and allow you to identify the issues, understand >>>> what is going on and what Africa needs... I hope you’ve made >>>> your minds and now able to speak on your personal capacity.. >>>> The real education package is as below: >>>> ===== >>>> Proposal to establish AFRINIC >> http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997 >>>> IANA report on AFRINIC (Accreditation) >>>> https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf >>>> AFRINIC constitution >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws >>>> Registration Service Agreement >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa >>>> AFRINIC policy manual >>>> https://afrinic.net/policy/manual >>>> AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre >>>> AFRINIC PDP >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy >>>> Rough Consensus >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282 >>>> AFRINIC current policy proposals >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals >>>> RiRs PDPs >>>> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/ >>>> RIR comparative policy overview >>> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/ >>>> ============== >>>> Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way. >>>> Come build African Internet by Africans. >>>> As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation, >>>> afrinic member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of >>>> IPv4 is long established and discussed many times on this list. I >>>> hope the fellows would find these discussions in the archives. >>>> I call the attention of the board on the repetitive attempts of >>>> this resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid >>>> intentions... the provisions of the bylaws and RSA must >>>> carefully be applied to recall members to acceptable code of >>>> conduct. >>>> The African Internet community as well as the global Internet >>>> community must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy >>>> development process and operations. >>>> -Wafa _______________________________________________ >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>>> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> -- >>> VIVIEN >>> LARUS CLOUD SERVICE LIMITED >>> p:+852 29888918 >>> f:+852 29888368 >>> e:a....@laruscloudservice.net >>> w:laruscloudservice.net/ [1] >>> a:B5,11/F,TML Tower,No.3 Hoi Shing Road,Tsuen Wan,HKSAR >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] http://laruscloudservice.net/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > > > > b _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
