Well … the so-called “Benjamin” broke *several times* the code of conduct:
https://afrinic.net/code So should be ban from the meeting (and the lists) and not only Benjamin, but also the real person behind him. I’ve asked the staff/board to verify the information about who is behind Benjamin. This is possible and easy, you just need a policy claim to investigate the case asking Google to confirm if Benjamin is “x” and IP addresses (which in turn can be verified with the ISP). We had sufficient information to conduct such claim. My understanding is that they objected to do so. This, in my opinion, is setting a very bad precedent: “You can ignore the code of conduct, because we aren’t going to ask for an investigation”. The board is still in time to proceed with such claim. As much time passes, less chances to get the correlation of the IP addresses. Otherwise, they will have NO RIGHT in the future, to enforce the code of conduct with other, because then the board can clearly be accused of discrimination: either you follow the code of conduct with all the same way, or you don’t use it at all and just trash it. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 17/11/19 21:42, "Andrew Alston" <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> escribió: I would have a major problem with control over who attends the meetings. To be frank – meetings are about the community, and if we start deciding who can and who can’t attend the meetings – beyond the scope of a code of conduct – it’s a dangerous and slippery slope from there. I mean – I believe we are feel to name, shame and shun those who behave in bad behavior at meetings if we as individuals do not like their behavior – but I do not believe we should prevent attendance. In the same way – I would not advocate for banning someone like Marcus from the meeting who used fake accounts to spew racist garbage on the lists. I would advocate from banning them from the lists, and I would fully support a public shaming and humiliation on the floor of the meeting so they get the idea this is a *BAD* idea in future, but – let them come to the meeting and face the consequences of their actions Andrew From: Mark Tinka <mark.ti...@seacom.mu> Date: Sunday, 17 November 2019 at 13:44 To: Andrew Alston <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>, "community-discuss@afrinic.net" <community-discuss@afrinic.net> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting Thanks, Andrew. Makes sense to me, but only if both the brokers and the interested RIR members abide by these rules. What I see more likely happening is either side finds this opt-in/out ineffective. If we somehow block the spamming and can control who attends the meetings, they'll just sidebar all their meetings in and around the conference venue, which we definitely cannot control. So for me, making sure the community fully understands this at an intellectual, commercial (and if possible, legal) level is our best defence at making sure nobody is duped into doing something they don't understand or don't really want to do. Mark. On 17/Nov/19 10:41, Andrew Alston wrote: Personally I have another take on this - I do not agree with spam - or harvesting emails - period - so will start there. I do however think that it may be worth considering an opt in/opt out list for attendees of AfriNIC meetings where people who wish to promote services or give general information about what they are doing etc may be worth having. This creates a situation where it avoids to the spam, it’s opt in so people who do want to see services on offer by attendees have the option of subscribing, and it lets the community market their services to each other. I would have no issue with the existence of such a list. Just a thought Andrew Get Outlook for iOS From: Mark Tinka <mark.ti...@seacom.mu> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:32:27 PM To: community-discuss@afrinic.net <community-discuss@afrinic.net> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting I'm not sure stopping them from attending is possible, as that can be easily forged. I'm also not sure preventing them from reaching out to the community for their business is also feasible. The only real defence that I see is equipping the community with sufficient knowledge about this so folk are not easily swayed by the glorious promises of engaging with them. Mark. On 16/Nov/19 17:20, Sami Salih wrote: if we all agreed that the reasons they want to attend AFRINIC is not welcoming, can we be more proactive and stop them from attending or at least stop them from conveying the message to the community ? Dr. Sami H.O. Salih Assistant Prof, School of Electronics Engineering, SUST Head of R&D, NTC, SUDAN President of SDv6TF T/F: (249)122045707/187171355 From: Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 12:02 AM To: Badru Ntege <badru.nt...@nftconsult.com> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; members-disc...@afrinic.net <members-disc...@afrinic.net> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: AFRINIC-31 Meeting The best solution is simply to make sure to avoid doing business with them. Eventually they get the hint, especially if you tell them flat out that you don’t do business with spammers. Owen On Nov 15, 2019, at 09:49 , Badru Ntege <badru.nt...@nftconsult.com> wrote: I agree with you on the bad taste. Have many words to add but time to breathe in and out and constrain oneself Sent from my iPhone On 15 Nov 2019, at 12:26, Mark Tinka <mark.ti...@seacom.mu> wrote: Not sure if anyone else has received these... I am probably old school, but these kinds of things leave a bad taste in my mouth. Mark. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: AFRINIC-31 Meeting Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:18:52 +0000 From: Lena AFRINIC <l...@breeden-comm.com> To: mark.ti...@seacom.mu Greetings, Hope this email finds you well! I'm representing IPv4 Services, a registered broker in RIPE, ARIN and APNIC. We are attending at AFRINIC 31 in Luanda, Angola, and would be a pleasure to meet people that are open to a potential collaboration regarding IPv4 resources. We are planning to establish new connections and find AFRINIC based business partners for selling/leasing/purchase of IPv4 addresses. NOTE - if you are interested please feel free to contact me with any questions. 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