A funny discussion. Anyway, I saw many LOA that is CI authorise LARUS ( a Hong Kong company too) then LARUS authorise to their clients. Leo is correct.
— > Frank Habicht <ge...@geier.ne.tz>於2021年7月27日 15:32寫道： > > Hi, > > did any of those make any commitment like "we are using these to connect > our customers in Africa" ? > > Did CI? > > Thanks, > Frank > > PS: I count connectivity to a VM hosted by CI as ok, but not leasing > just the IP to an entity without providing them any connectivity. > >> On 27/07/2021 08:24, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote: >> If you think this is a shocking amount of address space, please consider >> the amount of space >> held by: >> >> Non-LIRs (end users): >> Hewlett Packard >> Apple Computer >> >> Unclear whether to classify as LIR or not: >> Amateur Radio (AMPR) >> >> LIRs: >> XFINITY/Comcast >> Verizon >> Akamai >> XO Communications >> Amazon >> Microsoft >> Google >> etc. >> >> The equivalent of 1.5 /10s (75% of a /9) is far less than any of the >> above organizations. >> >> Owen >> >> >>> On Jul 26, 2021, at 01:11 , Leo S <le...@afcast.com >>> <mailto:le...@afcast.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ronald >>> Maybe your number is correct, whether it is 6.3M or 7M,This is a >>> shocking number for everyone especially in 201x such a large block >>> allocated. This is not in 199x year. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 4:25 AM Ronald F. Guilmette >>> <r...@tristatelogic.com <mailto:r...@tristatelogic.com>> wrote: >>> >>> In message >>> <calm9cbn+r9oen9+9ybjfbk5ggtcmemz1yhxgdfw04otc3mx...@mail.gmail.com >>> <mailto:calm9cbn%2br9oen9%2b9ybjfbk5ggtcmemz1yhxgdfw04otc3mx...@mail.gmail.com>> >>> Meriem Dayday <meriemday...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:meriemday...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> This is a direct violation of the CoC. >>> >>> No, actually, it isn't. >>> >>> The information about how Cloud Innovation is presently making use of >>> it's assigned 6,291,456 AFRINIC-administered IPv4 addresses is >>> effectively >>> public information, and it is not difficult to derive from any >>> number of >>> public sources (e.g. RIPEStat, bgp.he.net <http://bgp.he.net/>, etc.) >>> >>> If you lived in the time of Galileo Galilei, would you consider it an >>> affront to public decency if some people elected to look through the >>> telescope and then just describe what they saw? And if so, then what >>> is next? Book burning? >>> >>>> Disclosing such information and data without the company's >>> consent is a >>>> clear attempt of defamation and can have legal consequences on the >>>> concerned person. >>> >>> OK, let's parse that statement, because it conjoins two different >>> obvious >>> logical problems. >>> >>> First, the Internet is *not* a private network. Fact's about what >>> various >>> companies are doing on the Internet are possible to see, and to learn, >>> without needing the consent of the companies inolved. That is the >>> nature >>> of the Internet. If you want to run your own closed private intranet, >>> then go head. Nobody will stop you and you can then keep every last >>> detail of your corporate operations utterly secret. But the >>> minute any >>> company obtains Internet number resources and starts using those, it >>> *voluntarily* gives up some of its corporate secrecy in exchange >>> for being >>> a part of, and a participant on this great communications >>> experiment we >>> call the Internet. >>> >>> I personally am not now, and never have been a customer of Cloud >>> Innovation. >>> And yet even well before today I already determined for myself >>> that well >>> more that 90% of Cloud Innovation's assigned AFRINIC-administered IPv4 >>> address space was being deployed to other continents. This is not >>> a state >>> secret by any means, and the information may be derived from 100% >>> public >>> sources. Anyone clever enough to seek it out will find the same >>> information. >>> >>> Whether the manner in which Cloud Innovation is using/deploying its >>> assigned number resources does or does not comport with its specific >>> RSA and/or with community approved regulations is a separate question, >>> and one which I myself do not have an answer to. In any case, the >>> courts will sort out those questions in due course, I imagine. >>> But the >>> mere facts of how Cloud Innovation has deployed its AFRINIC-assigned >>> resources, or how it would appear to make money, based on the >>> available >>> public evidence, are *not* corporate secrets. Any attempt to portray >>> them as such is just an attempt at heavy-handed censorship. >>> >>> The second logical problem with the statement above is contained >>> in the >>> part that says "... attempt of defamation and can have legal >>> consequences >>> on the concerned person." >>> >>> Exactly so! If the guy who posted the material you are reacting >>> to was >>> willing to take the legal risk to post that material, IN SPITE OF the >>> possibility that he could, at least in theory, be sued for defamation, >>> then why are YOU worried about it? Why should AFRINIC be worried >>> about >>> it? Obviously, this (theoretical) possibility of a defemation lawsuit >>> is only a problem for the guy who posted the (allegedly) defamatory >>> text, and he obviiously was willing to take the risk in order to >>> express >>> his opinion, SO WHAT IS THAT TO YOU? >>> >>> Here again, shouting down in the original poster in this manner >>> appears >>> to me to be just another a heavy-handed attempt at pointless >>> censorship. >>> >>> I hope that we here can all have open and frank discusions of all >>> of the >>> issues now of concern to AFRINIC without these kinds of attempts to >>> muzzle dissenting viewpoints based on perfectly silly arguments. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> rfg >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net <mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >>> <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community-Discuss mailing list >>> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net <mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss _______________________________________________ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
