-----"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -----
> Dion,
> > > The reason for this challenge is simple: to
> > > demonstrate the the antipathy towards other
> > > ASF efforts is damaging not only to the ASF,
> > > but to Maven itself.
> > 'antipathy' == 'A strong feeling of aversion or repugnance'.
> However you want to label it, Jason's harshly phrased statements
yesterday
> regarding collaboration with other ASF projects (and people) expressed an
> attitude that some people, including myself, obviously didn't view
> positively. In fairness, my reaction is influenced as much by my views
on
> software development as by his words. Nor did I miss his somewhat
contrite
> reply to Ken Coar. I would hope that his comments are not representative
of
> Maven. I would prefer to believe that his comments are not even
> representative of himself.
You don't like Jason's attitude, fine, take that up with Jason. Personality
conflicts are
a natural part of life. Representing Jason as all Maven developers is a
leap beyond that
I can't fathom.
[snip]
> A development tool exists for the purpose of servicing other projects. I
> viewed Sam's comments as expressing the concern that if personalities
were
> to get in the way of collaborating to produce something that better
serves
> other projects, then that would be damaging. With Ant, the ASF set the
So if/when it happens I expect people to get involved. Preempting it seems
a little premature.
> standard (for better or worse) for Java build tools. With Maven, that is
> extended, enhanced, embedded to handle web-based project management. You
> said that there is a great deal of synergy between Ant and Maven. It is
> natural to feel that these are related projects, and that collaboration
> would not only be beneficial, but highly desired by all parties. The
Collaboration does happen, now. It's not a future waiting to happen.
Is there something that's not happening that specifically needs to be
looked
at?
> antagonistic response, with neither provocation nor justification, was
> disconcerting to say the least. It is unsurprising then to have concerns
> regarding a productive relationship with an entity exhibiting that
attitude.
Jason is an 'entity'? I figured he was a person with all the usual good and
bad
points, much like you and I.
It seems you are confusing your view of Jason, which you admit is limited
to a short exchange here, with the team of people developing Maven. I've
worked
with Jason for quite a while now and he speaks his mind, and when he's
wrong,
he's the first to admit it.
If you're interested in the Maven community and what it is, please join us
on turbine-maven-user@jakarta.apache.org and
turbine-maven-dev@jakarta.apache.org
--
dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
Blog: http://www.freeroller.net/page/dion/Weblog
Work: http://www.multitask.com.au
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