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Leo, Please NEVER cross-post from a PMC mailing list to any other mailing list. Although this particular thread should have long ago moved to the general@ list (and I'm just as guilty as anyone else for that), cross-posting potentially sensitive posts that were intended for PMC eyes only is very inappropriate. Thank you, -aaron On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 09:47:57AM +0100, Leo Simons wrote: > (moving to community@) > > Hi gang! > > In the message below, Jim basically says that either a lot > of committers are not 'serious', or that he holds a minority > opinion, or...there is some other reason why there are > dozens of committers (even asf officers) who are not > members. Eh? > > I've seen messages like this float around on various > mailing lists for months from various ASF elders, and it > has all become quite confusing. > > --- > > What is an ASF member? > > The legal answer is in the bylaws, but the practical answer > which flows from that is not. What does a member do? > What priviledges and responsibilities does a member have? > > What characteristics make someone a candidate member > (there's an election every now and then by the current > members, IIUC)? What characteristics make someone 'fail' > candidacy? What's the decision process? > > What is discussed on members@, and why is it discussed > there (as opposed to a forum with broader participation)? > > --- > > just some of many questions I believe many of the > 'serious' committers-but-not-members all around apache > have. Membership has always been 'shrouded in mystery' > for many, which is, I guess, okay to a point (who am I to > judge? :D), but not when it becomes difficult to make the > right decisions as a 'member' of the/an ASF community > or a PMC. > > Thanks for any and all answers! > > back to my corner, > > - Leo > > Jim Jagielski wrote: > > >On Nov 21, 2003, at 6:05 PM, Berin Lautenbach wrote: > > > >>FWIW - I went into this a little recently. > >> > >>I am not a member, but I am the chair of the XML PMC. I was also > >>part of the XML PMC before I became chair. > >> > >>I specifically asked the question about whether non-members was OK > >>(in both a chair and a "part of" role) and was told it is absolutely > >>fine in both cases. > > > >Yes, it is OK. As Chair, though, you are an officer of > >the foundation. So being an officer of a foundation of > >which you aren't a member is kind of weird :) > > > >The main idea is that the ASF is *member* driven. The > >"power and authority" really rests with the members. If > >someone has enough interest to be a serious committer (and > >they would not have been given commit privs if that > >wasn't the case) I would want them to also be a member > >of the organization that they are working "for", if > >only for the legal considerations. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
