On 28 Apr 2008, at 17:54, hank williams wrote:

I have to say my unvoiced thoughts were the same as Ryan's. I was not at all clear why a call for the community to help figure marketing stuff out would be met by a request to take the discussion off list as though it was somehow inappropriate for public discussion. It seemed like a very strange response. Now reading the responses to Ryan's comments seem even more strange. I feel like I am missing something because the responses to Ryan's comments seem on the surface, inappropriate as well.


If you read further back in this thread you'll see that the subject changed in reply to my message, "Re: Ugliness" (26 April 2008 13:58:04 BST).

If you read back you'll see that before that someone was complaining "the Freerunner will never sell in the mass-market because me & my friends think it's ugly", and my counterpoint was, "heck, I'm sure FIC have done some market research (focus groups &c)".

Lowell Higley obviously knows his stuff regarding selling tech products, and he raises some interesting points. I immediately wanted to reply to them, but I could have spent hours doing so. Not to argue with him, just to purse interesting avenues of discussion.

But Lowell's insights are far more in depth than your average Xbox vs Playstation, who's-winning-the-format-war, fanbois' forum thread. As Lowell says:

  Marketing is much more than holding focus groups and creating sales
  copy.  There is competitive analysis, business cases, marketing
  requirements, "negotiating" with engineering over the final product,
  schedule.. and the list goes on.  My point is, as I look at things
  and put the picture together, I see no strong marketing presence
  in the FreeRunner.  Where's the MRD?  Where's the focus group?
  Where's the business case?

In case you don't speak the business jargon, "competitive analysis" means "how much does the competition sell for, how much will it cost us to make a similar product and how much profit can we make?".

"Business cases" and the results of focus groups, say FIC stating that "you & your friends may think it's ugly, but we reckon we can sell XX thousand units and make $yyyyyyy profit" aren't really any of our business.

In his second message (27 April 2008 18:16:11 BST) Lowell raises the "goal" of the OpenMoko project, which is ostensibly "the best possible mobile phone software stack" that can be installed over a wide range of phones. But underlying that is the fact that the goal of FIC, in sponsoring OpenMoko, is to sell more phones and (like any business) make more profit.

For any company this sort of information - the anticipated number of units sold, market breakdown &c - is a trade secret, and I don't see why OpenMoko should be any different. In many cases this sort of information may be available to someone with experience in the industry (or reasonably estimable by them), but it may not be the sort of information that any company will publish casually.

Whilst OpenMoko may be interested in public discussion of what we consumers want (colours, features &c), whilst they may be interested in open discussion of ideas and whilst they're obviously prepared to give fuller and more dynamic feedback to us, how much money they're making on each phone is none of our business. I'm sure that Apple don't even tell their shareholders how much each iPod costs to build.

When we buy FIC's OpenMoko products we're buying hardware that is guaranteed open-source, so that we can fix it ourselves. We're buying FIC's sponsorship of the programmers contributing to the OpenMoko codebase and we're buying a promise of warranty & support in the future (we obviously hope that FIC will continue to sponsor updated firmware for our phones in the future, and we're pretty confident they're going to do so longer - and provider better feature updates - than Sony Ericson). Just as, in polite company, one doesn't ask one's friends or acquaintances how much they earn, it is likewise none of our business how much FIC makes out of each phone sake, and it seems to me that that's pretty much what the "secrecy" whiners on this thread are asking for (although they may not have actually realised that),

Any company will provide "inside information" to the trade press - perhaps if you're able to demonstrate such informed questions as Lowell has then FIC'll invite you, too, to their opening presentations. You'll maybe have to sign an NDA, but you'll still be able to make oblique tips to your readers based on your improved vision of the mobile phone market place. What you have to do first is demonstrate that you're not a whining fanboi, but that your unique insight can add value to the discussion of the product.

I found Lowell's remarks interesting because he seems to be looking at Freerunner's place in the market from the old closed-development point of view. It seems likely to me that FIC don't need to sell as many phones as Nokia in order to make a profit, at least not all at once - the developing state of OpenMoko will ensure a longer production life-span for the Freerunner than the 6 months or so of the typical mobile phone in the high street store. As the first generation of OpenMoko phone, the whole production span of Freerunner may be a loss-leader to FIC - one might expect the buzz and blogging generated over the course of two years to increase massively the demand for OpenMoko's 2010 (say) product.

Stroller.









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