I'll be happy to spray you, Don...
---McG
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Boekelheide" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:51 AM
Subject: [Community_garden] Americorps, poison ivy and kaolinite
> Hey, all,
>
> Thanks very much for the Vista/Americorps info, Susan. Good luck in
> Winnemucca!
>
> On Ivy-Block, that's a formulation of kaolinite? Hmmm, that's the same
> stuff that Surround is made of, the wettable powder used as an organic
> spray for fruit trees - it is non-toxic, but works (supposedly- I've had
> iffy results, and it gives you white "ghost trees", sure to draw the
> neighbors' attention to your edible landscape...) by blocking insect and
> disease spoor access to fruit and leaves.
>
> So, maybe we should spray ourselves with it, too?
>
> Michael Pollan was on NPR Science Friday yesterday talking about his new
> book, In Defense of Food. Interesting stuff, as always, from Pollan. He
> didn't mention the potential of community and home gardens as a promising
> source of 'real' food, but they certainly are. My guess is that he's been
> thinking about this aspect of gardening, dirt gardener that he is at
> heart.
>
> http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200801043
>
> Don
> http://urbanministrygarden.wordpress.com
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> 1. AmeriCorps and community gardens (Winnemucca Community Garden)
> 2. Re: How NOT to deal with Poison Ivy
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> 3. Re: How NOT to deal with Poison Ivy (Mike McGrath)
> 4. Re: how NOT to deal with poison ivy (Libby J. Goldstein)
> 5. bees (Ken Hargesheimer)
> 6. in boston, 7th-9th (Abby Cocke)
> 7. Nominate Your Favorite Gardener! (Amy DeShon)
> 8. Re: how to deal with poison ivy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> 9. Re: how to deal with poison ivy (Mike McGrath)
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> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:53:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: Winnemucca Community Garden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Community_garden] AmeriCorps and community gardens
> To: [email protected]
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> Hi there everyone,
> I thought I would weigh in on the AmeriCorps question
> (or perhaps more appropriately AmeriCrops as I often
> misspell it!).
>
> I am about to complete my second year as an AmeriCorps
> Vista volunteer with a community garden in rural
> northern Nevada. The Vista program has been a terrific
> help to our garden. As opposed to most other
> AmeriCorps programs, Vistas focus on building
> "sustainability" for a program and so are only granted
> for limited time periods, typically 3-5 years. There
> is usually no cost share required for the first 3
> years. So essentially, if you are willing to complete
> the paperwork and provide supervision, you can get
> "free" workers for a few years to strengthen a
> particular program! The other aspect of Vista is that
> it is anti-poverty focused, which can be a great match
> for community gardens.
>
> Other AmeriCorps programs (like state, national,
> senior, etc.) can go on indefinitely, I believe, but
> there is a cost-share associated from the beginning.
> They also give more flexibility in terms of what the
> members can do. (Vista members are limited to 20%
> direct service with the rest being organizing
> volunteers, designing promotional materials, creating
> & leading trainings, etc.)
>
> Well that's probably more than folks wanted to know,
> but if anyone has any other questions, please don't
> hesitate to ask! AmeriCorps has been a great program
> to work for and with.
> -Susan
>
> Winnemucca Community Garden
> 151 W. McArthur Ave.
> Winnemucca, NV 89445
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> 775.623.2333
> www.WinnemuccaCommunityGarden.org
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 11:59:38 -0600
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] How NOT to deal with Poison Ivy
> To: <[email protected]>
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>
> OK, I've got to jump in here and relate a story about poison oak.
> Lenny,
> you may do well using jewel weed ice cubes, but when my eight-year-old
> daughter tried to 'wash' the urishol off her arm using ice cubes (the
> only water we had at that picnic), she ended up SPREADING the oil and
> rubbing it thoroughly into her skin. The resulting rash was the densest
> mass of PO blisters I have ever seen, and the poor child was very
> miserable. My herbalist friend Adam Seller recommended masking the area
> with dolomite clay, which has a powerful drawing effect as it dries. I
> do believe that helped, but it was still weeks before she was PO free.
>
> Beki Filipello
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:16:38 -0500
> From: "Mike McGrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] How NOT to deal with Poison Ivy
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[email protected]>
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> actually, the clay is to be applied BEFORE you garden or go into the
> woods;
> that's what Ivy-Block is--a suspension of kaolin clay...
>
> ---McG
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] How NOT to deal with Poison Ivy
>
>
>>
>> OK, I've got to jump in here and relate a story about poison oak.
> Lenny,
>> you may do well using jewel weed ice cubes, but when my
> eight-year-old
>> daughter tried to 'wash' the urishol off her arm using ice cubes (the
>> only water we had at that picnic), she ended up SPREADING the oil and
>> rubbing it thoroughly into her skin. The resulting rash was the
> densest
>> mass of PO blisters I have ever seen, and the poor child was very
>> miserable. My herbalist friend Adam Seller recommended masking the
> area
>> with dolomite clay, which has a powerful drawing effect as it dries.
> I
>> do believe that helped, but it was still weeks before she was PO
> free.
>>
>> Beki Filipello
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:30:53 -0500
> From: "Libby J. Goldstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] how NOT to deal with poison ivy
> To: Mike McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [email protected]
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> When I was a kid, we always washed thoroughly with brown soap
> whenever we had been in contact with poison ivy. I suppose it removed
> the urishol.
> It worked like a dream, and most of us never got to the red or bubbly
> stage at all.
>
> Libby
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:10:07 -0600
> From: "Ken Hargesheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Community_garden] bees
> To: [email protected]
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> VANISHING OF THE BEES
> Wow! We receive a lot of submissions of that would like their work to
> be
> featured in Organic Bytes, but this is honestly one of the best
> trailers
> we've seen in a while. As you've probably read about previously in
> Organic
> Bytes, vast numbers of bees are literally disappearing all around the
> world.
> This movie analyzes why this mysterious phenomenon is taking place and
> how
> dramatically it could impact the world's food supply in the short term.
> As a
> note, the producers are also seeking donations to bring the movie to a
> wider
> audience. View this breath-taking trailer here:
> Watch: http://www.vanishingbees.com/
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> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:27:04 -0500
> From: "Abby Cocke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Community_garden] in boston, 7th-9th
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> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I'm new to this list, but I've heard great things. I work for the
> Parks &
> People Foundation in Baltimore City as an organizer for community
> groups
> that are improving parks and other green spaces (lots, gardens,
> medians,
> etc). I'm going to be at the NEURON conference at Boston College this
> coming week, and I'm hoping that I'll have some spare time to check out
> the
> community greening work going on in the area. I'll probably be taking
> the
> MBTA to get around.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have something special they think I should check out? I
> may
> also have some free time Tuesday afternoon if anyone wants to meet up
> and
> talk. This is up in the air though - if you're interested, I can give
> you
> my cell #.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Abby Cocke
>
>
>
> Community Organizer
>
> Partnerships for Parks
>
> Parks & People Foundation
>
> 800 Wyman Park Drive, Ste 010
>
> Baltimore, MD 21211
>
> 410-448-5663 x122
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> 443-448-5895 (fax)
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:57:56 -0500
> From: "Amy DeShon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [Community_garden] Nominate Your Favorite Gardener!
> To: "List Serve" <[email protected]>
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> Know someone who has made an outstanding contribution to the promotion
> of
> community gardening, greening, and open spaces in your community?
> Nominate
> them for an ACGA Certificate of Recognition!
>
> The rules are few: 1) no one can be awarded twice, 2) the Community
> Gardener
> of the Year does not have to be a member, but the nominator has to be
> an
> organizational member, and 3) nominators must have permission from the
> candidate in order to nominate them.
>
> This is a non-financial award recognizing exceptional work in community
> gardening. Recipients will receive a Certificate of Recognition,
> mention in
> our annual Greening Review, a photo and paragraph about their work on
> our
> website, and a free one-year basic membership.
>
> Only 12 awards are presented each year, so please explain why your
> candidate
> is the best candidate for Community Gardener of the Year. You may
> explain at
> whatever length you?d like, but we encourage at least 3 paragraphs
> describing why your candidate is the most worthy.
>
> To nominate someone for the ACGA Certificate of Recognition, please
> request
> a nominations form from Vicki Garrett, Projects Coordinator at
> 614-645-1537
> or via email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] A current ACGA organizational
> member
> must make all nominations. Completed applications must be received by
> ACGA
> at 1777 E. Broad Street, Columbus, OH 43203 by June 1, 2008.
>
> Sincerely,
> Amy DeShon, MPA
> Executive Director
> American Community Gardening Association (ACGA)
> 1777 E. Broad Street
> Columbus, OH 43201
> 1-877-ASK-ACGA
> Direct Line: 614-645-1537
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 22:35:59 -0800
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] how to deal with poison ivy
> To: <[email protected]>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> The postexposure external-alcohol-flush protocol was developed by
> poison-oak expert and dermatology professor William L. Epstein, MD.
> One of his research interests was occupational poison oak/ivy
> dermatitis (he died in 2006). Here's an excerpt from an FDA
> newsletter:
>
> <
> If you've been exposed to poison ivy, oak or sumac, if possible, stay
> outdoors until you complete the first two steps:
>
> * First, Epstein says, cleanse exposed skin with generous amounts of
> isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol. (Don't return to the woods or yard the
> same day. Alcohol removes your skin's protection along with the
> urushiol and any new contact will cause the urushiol to penetrate
> twice as fast.)
> * Second, wash skin with water. (Water temperature does not matter;
> if you're outside, it's likely only cold water will be available.)
> * Third, take a regular shower with soap and warm water. Do not use
> soap before this point because "soap will tend to pick up some of the
> urushiol from the surface of the skin and move it around," says
> Epstein.
> * Clothes, shoes, tools, and anything else that may have been in
> contact with the urushiol should be wiped off with alcohol and water.
> Be sure to wear gloves or otherwise cover your hands while doing this
> and then discard the hand covering.
>>
> source: http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/796_ivy.html
>
>
> Plain water may be less subject to misuse for some people, but
> whenever I've worked on projects that involved regular poison-oak
> contact, my workdays have lasted considerably longer than 20 minutes
> (minimum 4 hours). For several years, I've ended these workdays using
> Epstein's protocol, and have not contracted the rash.
>
> Whether you use water or alcohol, the important part is to use lots
> and lots, with no scrubbing or rubbing. Once you have washed your
> skin -- even with water -- don't go back out to the Toxicodendron
> patch the same day. (Or, before you go out, apply IvyBlock lotion,
> which is the only FDA-approved lotion for prevention, then wait 15
> minutes. I haven't used it.)
>
> Severe cases of poison oak/ivy dermatitis do indeed require emergency
> care. On a field trip in the boonies where most of us traipsed
> through poison-ivy groundcovers without realizing it, only a few of
> us got the rash, but one person out of the 30 got a severe case with
> facial swelling and had to get to a hospital.
>
> Grubbing out the roots can be especially dangerous, because each time
> you break a little rootlet you're releasing urushiol onto your
> clothing, tools, or any exposed skin. I wouldn't do this unless I
> were one of the people who's (so far) immune -- though it's not
> uncommon for people to lose immunity!
>
> After exposure, Epstein said, the key is to continue to treat your skin
> gently.
> The itching can drive people out of their minds, judging from
> anecdotes on the lay websites devoted to poison ivy/oak. Tales of
> scraping off the rash or putting household chemicals or solvents on
> the skin abound. These sites have almost no useful information and
> are more interesting as anthropological documents.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 09:18:24 -0500
> From: "Mike McGrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] how to deal with poison ivy
> To: <[email protected]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Ha! Dr. Epstein was the premier source for my poison ivy articles. I
> met him
> back in '85, and he gave me one of the first test cans of Ivy-Block
> fresh
> from the factory (it was an aerosol spray back then).
>
> I interviewed him fresh every couple of years until around '97; he's
> the one
> who hammered the 'water alone' into me over and over. He said alcohol
> worked
> as well, but that there was always a better chance of getting to water
> first
> and time is off the essence.
>
> Read the poison ivy removal story I linked to earlier. He and I came up
> with
> a great system to get rid of the stuff without any skin exposure.
>
> Keep on Scratching!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Community_garden] how to deal with poison ivy
>
>
>> The postexposure external-alcohol-flush protocol was developed by
>> poison-oak expert and dermatology professor William L. Epstein, MD.
>> One of his research interests was occupational poison oak/ivy
>> dermatitis (he died in 2006). Here's an excerpt from an FDA
>> newsletter:
>>
>> <
>> If you've been exposed to poison ivy, oak or sumac, if possible, stay
>> outdoors until you complete the first two steps:
>>
>> * First, Epstein says, cleanse exposed skin with generous amounts of
>> isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol. (Don't return to the woods or yard the
>> same day. Alcohol removes your skin's protection along with the
>> urushiol and any new contact will cause the urushiol to penetrate
>> twice as fast.)
>> * Second, wash skin with water. (Water temperature does not matter;
>> if you're outside, it's likely only cold water will be available.)
>> * Third, take a regular shower with soap and warm water. Do not use
>> soap before this point because "soap will tend to pick up some of the
>> urushiol from the surface of the skin and move it around," says
>> Epstein.
>> * Clothes, shoes, tools, and anything else that may have been in
>> contact with the urushiol should be wiped off with alcohol and water.
>> Be sure to wear gloves or otherwise cover your hands while doing this
>> and then discard the hand covering.
>>>
>> source: http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/796_ivy.html
>>
>>
>> Plain water may be less subject to misuse for some people, but
>> whenever I've worked on projects that involved regular poison-oak
>> contact, my workdays have lasted considerably longer than 20 minutes
>> (minimum 4 hours). For several years, I've ended these workdays using
>> Epstein's protocol, and have not contracted the rash.
>>
>> Whether you use water or alcohol, the important part is to use lots
>> and lots, with no scrubbing or rubbing. Once you have washed your
>> skin -- even with water -- don't go back out to the Toxicodendron
>> patch the same day. (Or, before you go out, apply IvyBlock lotion,
>> which is the only FDA-approved lotion for prevention, then wait 15
>> minutes. I haven't used it.)
>>
>> Severe cases of poison oak/ivy dermatitis do indeed require emergency
>> care. On a field trip in the boonies where most of us traipsed
>> through poison-ivy groundcovers without realizing it, only a few of
>> us got the rash, but one person out of the 30 got a severe case with
>> facial swelling and had to get to a hospital.
>>
>> Grubbing out the roots can be especially dangerous, because each time
>> you break a little rootlet you're releasing urushiol onto your
>> clothing, tools, or any exposed skin. I wouldn't do this unless I
>> were one of the people who's (so far) immune -- though it's not
>> uncommon for people to lose immunity!
>>
>> After exposure, Epstein said, the key is to continue to treat your
> skin
>> gently.
>> The itching can drive people out of their minds, judging from
>> anecdotes on the lay websites devoted to poison ivy/oak. Tales of
>> scraping off the rash or putting household chemicals or solvents on
>> the skin abound. These sites have almost no useful information and
>> are more interesting as anthropological documents.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> The American Community Gardening Association listserve is only one of
>
>> ACGA's services to community gardeners. To learn more about the ACGA
> and
>> to find out how to join, please go to http://www.communitygarden.org
>>
>> To post an e-mail to the list:
> [email protected]
>>
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>>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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