You're certainly pushing the biggest button in the room, Ken.
"Climate is changing but it is not caused by humans and there is
nothing we can do about it." Yes, the climate is always changing. I
agree. It is the rate of the change that is staggering and the
rapidity is accelerated entirely by our presence on this planet.
I'm from the far north of Canada... this is very real... http://
www.cbc.ca/documentaries/passionateeyemonday/2008/tippingpoint
This is on CBC tonight.
If you've ever been in a sauna, the hottest area is the highest point.
Just sayin'...
Paul Hughes
On 4-May-09, at 10:31 AM, Steven Garrett wrote:
Ken et al,
Establishing a scientific fact is done through an accumulation of
sometimes contradictory data and interpretations. As more data and
interpretations accumulate, and clear patterns appear, then
contradictory data can be understood as inadequate methodology or
random variations. As such patterns, and methods to understand
these patterns, become more clear, then experts in a field can
develop a consensus; thus moving the issue beyond theory to an
established scientific fact.
Such is the case with anthropomorphic climate change. The experts
in this field are climatologists. When they reach a consensus, as
they have in this case, then what we have is a scientific fact.
That a handful of non-climatologists, retired scientists whose work
is being eclipsed, and scientists who work for extraction
industries can find some contradictory data does not negate a
scientific fact.
A poll performed by Peter Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman at
Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Illinois at Chicago
received replies from 3,146 of the 10,257 polled Earth scientists.
Results were analyzed globally and by specialization. 96.2% of
climatologists who are active in climate research believe that mean
global temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and
97.4% believe that human activity is a significant factor in
changing mean global temperatures. That is a seriously high level
of consensus by the experts in this field.
Thus, it is a fact, regardless of what you believe or want to be true.
Regards,Steven
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From: Ken Hargesheimer <[email protected]>
To: Dave Smead <[email protected]>; Judith Gardner
<[email protected]>; Community GardenNational
<[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 9:06:32 AM
Subject: [Community_garden] Why Gore is Green
If one does not like the message, shoot the messenger. Unlike
some, I do
my best to keep an open mind, listen to the facts and learn.
I have received two listserve reports about the temperature in the
USA, as
recorded by the US government thermometers, going down over the
past several
years. Just a little but certainly not going up.
There are hundreds of scientists who do not buy into the hype.
Climate is
changing but it is not caused by humans and there is nothing we can
do about
it. No one has a right to pollute or damage the soil, air and
water on the
earth and all who do should be punished.
Here is a copy of an email sent to me from a member of this listserve:
"Sorry about the lambasting you got on your ideas about climate
change and
Mr. Gore's relationship to it. I went to the Atlanta Food Forward
meeting in
Atlanta last weekend and met a lot of the people, including the
pres. of
ACGA, and wasn't terribly surprised that I was in the great
minority being a
conservative. It was loaded with fed gov employees, and that
included the
pres of ACGA who is paid to set up CGs around the country on a fed
pgm. It
was liberal land.
Climate change is being used as another ploy to tax people with carbon
taxation - you are absolutely right. The media controls what people
think
(to those who don't do their own research and let's face it, most
of the
people don't bother) and 'global warming' is the BIG THINK lately.
It's junk
science. I'm not saying it's not changing, but we're at the end of
a 90,000
year warming trend and next comes ice age. We've had two minor ice
ages in
the last several hundred years. The Amer. Revolution was fought in
one (why
else was the Potomic iced in with GW rowing across it pushing off
the little
iceburgs and it was snowing), and the Dark Ages was the other one.
Those on the inside go along with the gag but are making the big bucks
because they realize people are incredibly trusting or uneducated and
believe the tube and the media as gospel. Thank you for being
courageous and
fighting the stupidity. We need more of you.
So, don't despair. You aren't the only sane one out there."
Ken Hargesheimer
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