Thanks for rushing to my defense, Stuart. However, he is right ... this is a semantic issue that has been discussed here before. BUT, it must be taken in context -- we were talking about the SE showing up on the AppleTalk bus of a network computer. An SE is NOT a LaserWriter. So the broad term AppleTalk should have been taken to mean AppleShare (Much the same way we incorrectly use the term Buffalo and Bison interchangeably, yet know what we mean anyway). But I will be more diligent in the future, now that I know ball-busters are "lurking" :-). And yes, there are all kinds of things one can do to make OSX and earlier Systems AppleShare compatible, but for someone just using stock software, they need to know what to expect without the add-ons in order to solve an immediate problem. It deserves mention here that Stock System 6 and earlier will not show up or be accessible on networks unless they are using server software (they can only access another volume w/stock software). System 7 was the first to incorporate personal file sharing in the stock configuration that allowed two-way volume access. For whatever reason I have never been able to get System 7 to show up under OSX, or see the OSX server, much less access it, from System 7 machines. Then again, I have not tried really hard to find the problem as I have an OS9 server to act as intermediary. I fear I may have overstepped my knowledge by suggesting this as a possible problem for the SE not showing up on the network, but certainly the guy who originally had the problem will now have enough information to solve the next problem with OSX once he gets the SE up and going. Finally, not as a criticism, but new users in particular tend to post limited info without realizing how complex the issues might be. So until I know what kind of network a person is using, I tend to briefly throw out whatever idea has not been suggested by others as a solution so that the person needing help can give us a better picture, like: "I'm not using OSX at all" which elements a set of issues which may be affecting if not responsible for the problems. And now look, I've gone into a whole dissertation which may not even have addressed the SE guy's problem (I forgot who originally started this thread and haven't really seen any responses from him since the help-gates opened).
> From: Stuart Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 30 Jul 2005, at 07:23, Bryan Kattwinkel wrote: > >> on 7/28/05 3:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> ... i.e. OSX won't see your System 7 AppleTalk Macs. >> >> This is a myth. ALL versions of OS X support AppleTalk over Ethernet. >> They all work fine with AppleTalk-only LaserWriters. They will all >> "see" >> each other when attempting to set up File Sharing connections, given >> that >> you have turned on AppleTalk (2 places in OS X). >> >> What is incompatible is the versions of AppleShare File Sharing >> software. >> When the file sharing software is incompatible, the machines see each >> other and their names show up (meaning the AppleTalk protocol is >> working), but when you click them you get an error message and they >> cannot actually share any files. >> >> With OS X 10.2 and 10.3, you can usually upgrade the File Sharing >> client >> or server software on your older Mac to make it compatible and share >> files. Both 10.1 and 10.4 require a TCP/IP connection between the >> machines and AppleShare over IP, which became standard with Mac OS 9. >> The >> easiest workaround in that case is to keep a Mac OS 9 computer in the >> middle as a server. >> > > So, while it's true that "ALL versions of OS X support AppleTalk over > Ethernet", the need for 10.4 to use AppleTalk over TCP/IP, which AFAIK > system 7 doesn't do means that the quoted text is right. > > Stuart -- Compact Macs is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/>. Support Low End Mac <http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html> Compact Macs list info: <http://lowendmac.com/lists/compact.shtml> --> AOL users, remove "mailto:"; Send list messages to: <mailto:compact.macs@mail.maclaunch.com> To unsubscribe, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For digest mode, email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subscription questions: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Archive:<http://www.mail-archive.com/compact.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/> --------------------------------------------------------------- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---------------------------------------------------------------
