And do you find these "ugly yet working" moves aesthetically pleasing?
I think it all depends what do we mean by aesthetics. In my opinion, it is not strength - the hard thing about go imo is that while the nice (shape, ..) do often work, sometimes, the ugly move works better - precisely as Nick writes. It is probably hard to pinpoint; aesthetics could also be discussed/defined on multiple levels: * nice shape moves * ease of uderstandability (I find professional games which are simple aesthetically nicer than wild fights, big tenukis, or "wtf" moments that I do not understand) * interesting strategic developments (e.g. comeback) * admiration of player heroism, fighting spirit, ... All these are subjective points and they probably differ a lot based on the viewer's own style and (maybe more) strength. It would be interesting to make a questionnaire to have some base for what do the players find nice. If we get some questions down, I am willing to add it to the gostyle site. Josef On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:12 PM Nick Wedd <mapr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 12 January 2016 at 13:29, Ray Tayek <rta...@ca.rr.com> wrote: > >> On 1/11/2016 7:10 PM, Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira wrote: >> >> Hi, some time back I mentioned creating a program that evaluates the >> aesthetics of a game of Go. Has anyone given it some thought? I'd love to >> have a comparison between professional and amateur dan matches, >> >> ... >> >> shape <http://senseis.xmp.net/?Shape> should be a candidiate. it's >> frequency in a game should correspond to rank. >> > > I would be interested to see if this is true. My own experience suggests > otherwise. When I watch 3-dan games, and 6-dan games, I think the 6-dans > make more empty triangles. The 3-dans are using shape as a guide (for the > previous moves, as well as the move in question), while the 6-dans don't > use such heuristics, they are able to read the stuff out. > > Nick > >> >> thanks >> >> -- >> Honesty is a very expensive gift. So, don't expect it from cheap people - >> Warren Buffetthttp://tayek.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >> > > > > -- > Nick Wedd mapr...@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
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