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There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: PDF Creator addendum
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2. Dankaran calendar thoughts
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3. Re: OT: Re: domain names
From: "Pascal A. Kramm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4. Re: affixes
From: Kevin Athey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5. OT: LaTeX on Windooze
From: Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6. Re: Introducing myself, and several questions
From: Muke Tever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7. Re: affixes
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8. Re: affixes
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9. Re: [OT] conplaneteering
From: Jörg Rhiemeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10. Re: OT: LaTeX on Windooze
From: Keith Gaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11. apologies
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:31:10 -0500
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PDF Creator addendum
> Another option is to print to a postscript file and get Ghost Script
> or GSView (can't remember which one, both are free though) and can
> convert postscript to pdf.
Ghostscript is the workhorse program; GSView is a program that lets you
display the results of GhostScript in visual form on your monitor.
-Marcos
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:30:16 -0500
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Dankaran calendar thoughts
Dankar is a planet with a ~28-year orbit around a giant blue-white star
that has no other planets and would naturally have none at all - see the
recent conplaneteering thread. But nature has nothing to do with it;
Dankar is an artificial construct, created in the distant past to
resemble Earth as much as possible other than the above, and populated
with kidnapped Earthlings by agents unknown for reasons unknown.
Despite the lack of visible planets in the sky, the number
seven still holds sway as a significant number to the Dankarans; perhaps
it is a holdover from their days back on Earth. In any case, they like
to divide and group things by 7, and when that's not convenient by 3 or
4 (that is, approximately half of 7).
The basic calendrical unit is of course the day, which is the same
length as ours, but it is divided up into 28 (7x4) rather than 24 hours.
Such divisions are the subject of timekeeping, however, not the calendar
proper.
Days are grouped by fours into a unit which in English I call, for lack
of a better word, a "tetrad".
Dankar has a single large satellite orbiting in a plane at an angle to
the planet's orbit such that it goes through visible phases on a cycle
of about 29.53 days. In other words, the moon was included in the
reproduction, and the month goes along with it. A calendar month is
always a whole number of tetrads, either 7 or 8 (=28 or 32 days).
The next unit up is so far nameless but consists of either 3 or 4
months, the periodic difference being part of the tropical
synchronization of this lunisolar calendar. Let's call it A.
The next unit up (I'll call it B) is likewise nameless but consists of 3
or 4 A's; this gives it a theoretical length range from 9 to 16 months,
but the calendar is designed such that it's always 11, 12, or 13. Obviously
this corresponds to one Earth year.
The next unit up beyond that is the season, which is tied to the
tropical year; Dankarans recognize the same four seasons which most
Earth cultures do, and each one is seven B's long. It therefore could
theoretically consist of anywhere from 77 to 91 months, but
again the design of the calendar restricts it such that it is always 86
or 87 months.
Finally, we have the orbital year, which is four seasons long;
again, while this gives a theoretical range of 344 to 348 months,
a given year is always 345 or 346 months, somewhere between 10,188
and 10.218 days, just shy of 28 Earth years (~10,226 days).
Nomenclature coming as soon as I figure out which Dankaran language the calendar
creators spoke. :)
-Marcos
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:04:00 -0500
From: "Pascal A. Kramm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Re: domain names
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:30:15 +0100, Carsten Becker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sunday 13 February 2005 05:05, Sai Emrys wrote:
>
> > Cheapest I've seen to date that looked at
> > all reliable, at ~$15. And hey, they support
> > UserFriendly.
>
>Did I understand you right -- $15/month just for the domain
>name? I have my website hosted for ¤2/month inclusively one
>domain name (.de, you could also choose .at, .ch or .fl).
>No ads.
That's nothing yet... I have my website hosted for only 0.95¤/month
(11.40¤/year) including even an .org domain :D (which was much more
expensive at all other hosters I checked). You could've also taken a lot of
other domains like .de, .at., .ch, .net, .com etc.
--
Pascal A. Kramm, author of:
Intergermansk: http://www.choton.org/ig/
Chatiga: http://www.choton.org/chatiga/
Choton: http://www.choton.org
Ichwara Prana: http://www.choton.org/ichwara/
Skälansk: http://www.choton.org/sk/
Advanced English: http://www.choton.org/ae/
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:56:44 -0600
From: Kevin Athey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: affixes
>From: Scotto Hlad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>I'm looking for some lists of very affixes to help me develop nouns for my
>new conlang. Does anyone know of any lists of affixes that might designate
>different forms of nouns?
>
>eg.
>stem + affix1 = a tool
>stem + affix2 = a place.
>
>I'm looking for the categories that the affixes would designate.
>Any direction would be helpful.
>Scotto
That's more or less what noun classes do. The Bantu noun classes are an OK
example, but if you have access to information on them, Athapaskan noun
classes are even closer to what you're looking for, I think. A given stem
can exist in a couple of classes with different meanings.
What's the context, though? What else do you have in the conlang?
Athey
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:12:43 +0100
From: Andreas Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OT: LaTeX on Windooze
A friend who's learning LaTeX asked if I knew any good text editor for doing
LaTeX files on Windows; one that will distinguish plain text from code
and-so-on. I don't, but I thought some of the LaTeX enthusiast here are bound
to know one.
Thanks in advance,
Andreas
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:12:42 -0700
From: Muke Tever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Introducing myself, and several questions
Damian Yerrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> SIMPLIFICATION
>
> I understand that the lexicon can be reduced to sizes that
> may initially appear absurd while retaining expressiveness.
> Evidence: A conlang called Toki Pona manages to convey every
> meaning one can think of in 120 basic words.
118, ISTR, but that's just the base lexicon. The class of proper adjectives is
open-ended.
And there are a few things that are difficult to enunciate without heavy, heavy
circumlocution: I remember #tokipona had trouble with "legalize marijuana"
because
"legalize" is a difficult concept to represent in Toki Pona.
*Muke!
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:52:40 +0100
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: affixes
Hi!
From: Scotto Hlad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>I'm looking for some lists of very affixes to help me develop nouns for my
>new conlang. Does anyone know of any lists of affixes that might designate
>different forms of nouns?
>
>eg.
>stem + affix1 = a tool
>stem + affix2 = a place.
>
>I'm looking for the categories that the affixes would designate.
>Any direction would be helpful.
>Scotto
I'm using the Greenlandic ('Kalaallisut', Inuit-Aleutic language) approach
to derive these in my conlang Qthyn|gai, e.g.:
atuaq- - stem of 'to write'
-vik - 'place of _'
atuaffik - 'school': lexicalised as the specialisation of
the regularly derived meaning 'place where writing
takes place'
Unfortunately, without a book, I cannot come up easily with more
examples... I'm sure the tool for writing, ie, 'a pen' is constructed
accordingly.
With just this one example, this might looks like normal compounding,
but it isn't: it is not ad-hoc: Greenlandic has very strict affixation
rules for the construction of the meaning of the result. And '-vik'
is a suffix, not a normal stem. (The normal word for 'place' might be
related, but is a different category.) A long word is a strictly
left-branching, predictable derivation. (E.g. there are no ad-hoc
compounds like Chinese 'father-mother' = 'parents'.) Greenlandic is
interesting in that the class of derivational affixes is open, which
means that lexicons list the affixes, too, and that new ones may
easily emerge. The mechanism of derivation is used extensively: using
only about 1500 base words + 500 affixes, the full lexicon of the
language is filled with the 'normal' amount of several thousand
derived words.
So if you want a *really* rich system of derivation in your conlang,
have a look at Kalaallisut: of the Inuit languages, it is said to have
the most complex derivation system which has adjusted to the exposure
to new cultural ideas in recent history by pushing the derivational
system to its extreme. A lexicon (not too easy to get) will list *a
lot* of affixes that might inspire you. :-)
**Henrik
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:02:32 +0100
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: affixes
Hi!
I wrote:
> atuaq- - stem of 'to write'
> -vik - 'place of _'
>
> atuaffik - 'school': lexicalised as the specialisation of
> the regularly derived meaning 'place where writing
> takes place'
Sorry: that's 'atuarfik'.
(The pronunciation of the two is very similar, so that might be
why I mixed them up: */atuaf:Ik/ vs. /atuAf:Ik/)
**Henrik
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 21:03:49 +0100
From: Jörg Rhiemeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] conplaneteering
Hallo!
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 21:29:46 +0100,
Carsten Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While reading this thread, I wondered if it wouldn't be
> better to put my planet into the orbit of κ Virgo[1] to
> make an end to unscientific guesswork. However, an
> astronomy program that came with a version of Knoppix Linux
> said κ Virgo was 85.6x our sun in size, was in class K3III
> (cf. G2V), had a surface temperature of 4730K (cf. 5860K),
> had a radius of 18.38x our sun and a rotation period of
> 53,000 days (cf. 25,400 days). Would it be better suitable
> for life than Mark's star?
Nope. It's not even on the main sequence, but a red giant,
i.e. a dying star - which has destroyed its terrestrial planets,
if it had any. The red giant stage is neither long-lived nor
stable enough to allow for the evolution of life on any planets
or moons of the star.
Greetings,
Jörg.
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:47:37 +0000
From: Keith Gaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: LaTeX on Windooze
Andreas Johansson wrote:
> A friend who's learning LaTeX asked if I knew any good text editor for doing
> LaTeX files on Windows; one that will distinguish plain text from code
> and-so-on. I don't, but I thought some of the LaTeX enthusiast here are bound
> to know one.
I've heard TeXnicCenter[1] is good, but I use gvim myself.
K.
[1] http://www.toolscenter.org/front_content.php?idcat=26
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:53:12 -0500
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: apologies
If anyone got bounces from me. Upgraded perl, which broke SpamAssasin,
which broke my email. Things should be working now.
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