There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: Special Color/Semantic Domain relationships -- was: Re: On Cultu
From: Padraic Brown
2a. Re: Reading and Writing
From: Padraic Brown
2b. Re: Reading and Writing
From: Nikolay Ivankov
2c. Re: Reading and Writing
From: Patrick Dunn
3. WALS export
From: Lee
4a. CALS export (was WALS export)
From: Lee
4b. Re: CALS export (was WALS export)
From: David Peterson
5a. Re: LangFam-Making Program
From: Lee
5b. Re: LangFam-Making Program
From: Nathan Unanymous
5c. Re: LangFam-Making Program
From: J. Burke
5d. Re: LangFam-Making Program
From: Nikolay Ivankov
5e. Re: LangFam-Making Program
From: Nikolay Ivankov
6a. Re: An irregular verb system
From: MorphemeAddict
6b. Re: An irregular verb system
From: Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
7a. Deini font in Ubuntu?
From: deinx nxtxr
7b. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
From: Rebecca Bettencourt
7c. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
From: Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
7d. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
From: deinx nxtxr
7e. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
From: Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
7f. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
From: deinx nxtxr
7g. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
From: Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
7h. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
From: deinx nxtxr
7i. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
From: deinx nxtxr
7j. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
From: Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets
7k. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
From: Rebecca Bettencourt
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1a. Re: Special Color/Semantic Domain relationships -- was: Re: On Cultu
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" elemti...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 5:16 am ((PDT))
--- On Thu, 4/28/11, Adam Walker <carra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Heralrdy is another field replete with weird color term not
> used outside the field.
Numismatics also has its peculiarities of color terms, though perhaps
not quite so weird as heraldry. "Red" is the deep copper color of a brand
new bronze or copper coin; "white" can describe the color of new silver or
nickel based coins; "rainbow" is the phenomenon of chemical toning that
affects coins stored in cloth bags for a long period of time.
Jewelers also have their own color schemes, not only for metals but also
for gems: red gold, white gold, etc; chocolate diamonds, etc.
Padraic
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2a. Re: Reading and Writing
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" elemti...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 6:01 am ((PDT))
--- On Fri, 4/29/11, Nikolay Ivankov <lukevil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have been wondering lately about the etymology of the
> verbs "to read" and "to
> write" in different languages. Unlike the verbs like "to
> eat" or "to speak" these
> verbs should be relatively "new" ones, since they describe
> a very "artificial" kind of
> action. Therefore they should originate from some other
> verbs that already used
> to be in the language, and th etymology should mostly be
> quite clear.
>
> As far as I know, the words for "read" in IE languages are
> mostly related to the
> verbs with meaning "to take" (Romance), "to advice"
> (English), "to honor" (Slavic),
> while "to write" mostly used to mean "to decorate".
>
> What do the words for reading and writing originate from in
> your conlangs. Maybe
> there are other interesting and inobvious examples in other
> natlangs.
In Talarian, "to write" as a general term is sahem, to make. I suppose as
in "to make a written thing". Scribes speak of writing in terms of
painting and carving, probably because their writing system consists of
a combination of a "painted" flowing syllabary and a "carved" cuneiform
logogramary (?). Probably 90 to 95% of Telerani are nonliterate, which I
think gives rise to the disparity of terms.
I haven't found the word(s) for "read" as of yet. I wouldn't be surprised
if, like English, it were related to the word for "explain" or "interpret"
(read / riddle).
As for Lucarian, "read" and "write" are orcare, to call out or read aloud
and ziccuccere, to engrave. Apparently, there is no word for "read
silently".
Padraic
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2b. Re: Reading and Writing
Posted by: "Nikolay Ivankov" lukevil...@gmail.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 6:58 am ((PDT))
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Padraic Brown <elemti...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- On Fri, 4/29/11, Nikolay Ivankov <lukevil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> As for Lucarian, "read" and "write" are orcare, to call out or read aloud
> and ziccuccere, to engrave. Apparently, there is no word for "read
silently".
As far as I know, people started reading silently only in late antiquity,
and this became possible because there were invented the books as we know
them, that is, with pages. They were (and are) much easier to handle then
the scrolls, and therefore the way of reading has also changed: before that
it was habitual for people to actually _listen_ to a scroll read by a
servant rather then reading them by themselves. (I've read about that in:
Helmut Schneider, "Geschichte der Antike Technik" (The History of Technics
in Antiquity)).
Sorry for offtopic.
> Padraic
Kolya
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2c. Re: Reading and Writing
Posted by: "Patrick Dunn" pwd...@gmail.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 3:04 pm ((PDT))
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Padraic Brown <elemti...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> -
>
> In Talarian, "to write" as a general term is sahem, to make. I suppose as
> in "to make a written thing". Scribes speak of writing in terms of
> painting and carving, probably because their writing system consists of
> a combination of a "painted" flowing syllabary and a "carved" cuneiform
> logogramary (?). Probably 90 to 95% of Telerani are nonliterate, which I
> think gives rise to the disparity of terms.
>
> I haven't found the word(s) for "read" as of yet. I wouldn't be surprised
> if, like English, it were related to the word for "explain" or "interpret"
> (read / riddle).
>
>
Very cool. Oasa has a very similar system; I swear I didn't steal it from
you. My carved logograms resemble Mayan writing a bit more than cuneiform
though.
Oasa has a higher literacy rate, but they're also technologically modern.
--
I have stretched ropes from steeple to steeple; garlands from window to
window; golden chains from star to star, and I dance. --Arthur Rimbaud
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3. WALS export
Posted by: "Lee" waywardwre...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 7:22 am ((PDT))
Is there a CALS-like export of WALS data available?
I would have asked the appropriate individual(s) on WALS, but alas, there is no
apparent way to contact site admin. (Perhaps if I registered, but I am saving
that for when there is less dust swirling around my lang.)
Thanks,
Lee
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4a. CALS export (was WALS export)
Posted by: "Lee" waywardwre...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 7:29 am ((PDT))
I guess I'm tired this morning...
I'm actually looking for a WALS-like export of CALS data.
--- On Sun, 5/1/11, Lee <waywardwre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Lee <waywardwre...@yahoo.com>
Subject: WALS export
To: "conlang" <conl...@listserv.brown.edu>
Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 9:20 AM
Is there a CALS-like export of WALS data available?
I would have asked the appropriate individual(s) on WALS, but alas, there is no
apparent way to contact site admin. (Perhaps if I registered, but I am saving
that for when there is less dust swirling around my lang.)
Thanks,
Lee
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4b. Re: CALS export (was WALS export)
Posted by: "David Peterson" deda...@gmail.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 12:00 pm ((PDT))
The contact person is Kaleissin. He's a member of the Conlang list and the
relay list, if you're on that one.
David Peterson
LCS President
l...@conlang.org
www.conlang.org
On May 1, 2011, at 7◊25 AM, Lee wrote:
> I guess I'm tired this morning...
>
> I'm actually looking for a WALS-like export of CALS data.
>
> --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Lee <waywardwre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Lee <waywardwre...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: WALS export
> To: "conlang" <conl...@listserv.brown.edu>
> Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 9:20 AM
>
> Is there a CALS-like export of WALS data available?
>
> I would have asked the appropriate individual(s) on WALS, but alas, there is
> no apparent way to contact site admin. (Perhaps if I registered, but I am
> saving that for when there is less dust swirling around my lang.)
>
> Thanks,
> Lee
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5a. Re: LangFam-Making Program
Posted by: "Lee" waywardwre...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 9:02 am ((PDT))
You may find what you are looking for by searching
Google/Bing/DuckDuckGo/Whatever for "sound change applier"
Lee
--- On Sun, 5/1/11, Nathan Unanymous <nathanms...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Nathan Unanymous <nathanms...@gmail.com>
Subject: LangFam-Making Program
To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 12:16 AM
Wanted: programmers who are better than me (probably a lot).
I've been working on a quick overview of a language family, and have
accomplished the evolution mainly via SCAs. Often, when adding a new
word to the mother-tongue and not liking it's descendant, I will want
to change the sound laws. But when that happens, it forces me to
change a bunch of other words AND the grammar AND daughter language
grammar.
So I had an idea of making a program which automatically applies sound
changes to vocab-lists grammars.
However, after 30 minutes of fooling around, I realized that my meager
programming skills couldn't fulfill that task (I'm only an amateur who
has only learned via online manuals and for-dummies books).
That's why I'm asking if any of you can do something collaboratively.
I can do C++, Java (including swing), JavaScript, and Perl, and am
willing to learn something else.
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5b. Re: LangFam-Making Program
Posted by: "Nathan Unanymous" nathanms...@gmail.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 10:20 am ((PDT))
It seems I didn't expain too good. Most sound change appliers evolve words in
files of one word per line. What I dream of is a grammar editor that applies
sound changes to words in the language, so it updates every word in the
grammar (and the dictionary) whenever the sound-changes are edited. Though
a GUI is far-fetched, realistically I would think of a program that looks for,
e.g.,
<span class="lang"> and changes stuff inside that.
On Sun, 1 May 2011 08:59:44 -0700, Lee <waywardwre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>You may find what you are looking for by searching
Google/Bing/DuckDuckGo/Whatever for "sound change applier"
>
>Lee
>
>--- On Sun, 5/1/11, Nathan Unanymous <nathanms...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>From: Nathan Unanymous <nathanms...@gmail.com>
>Subject: LangFam-Making Program
>To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
>Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 12:16 AM
>
>Wanted: programmers who are better than me (probably a lot).
>
>I've been working on a quick overview of a language family, and have
>accomplished the evolution mainly via SCAs. Often, when adding a new
>word to the mother-tongue and not liking it's descendant, I will want
>to change the sound laws. But when that happens, it forces me to
>change a bunch of other words AND the grammar AND daughter language
>grammar.
>
>So I had an idea of making a program which automatically applies sound
>changes to vocab-lists grammars.
>However, after 30 minutes of fooling around, I realized that my meager
>programming skills couldn't fulfill that task (I'm only an amateur who
>has only learned via online manuals and for-dummies books).
>
>That's why I'm asking if any of you can do something collaboratively.
>I can do C++, Java (including swing), JavaScript, and Perl, and am
>willing to learn something else.
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5c. Re: LangFam-Making Program
Posted by: "J. Burke" rtoen...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 11:38 am ((PDT))
I asked for this, like, years ago; no one was interested at the time. But it
is a worthy project.
--- On Sun, 5/1/11, Nathan Unanymous <nathanms...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Nathan Unanymous <nathanms...@gmail.com>
> Subject: LangFam-Making Program
> To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
> Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 1:16 AM
> Wanted: programmers who are better
> than me (probably a lot).
>
> I've been working on a quick overview of a language family,
> and have
> accomplished the evolution mainly via SCAs. Often, when
> adding a new
> word to the mother-tongue and not liking it's descendant, I
> will want
> to change the sound laws. But when that happens, it forces
> me to
> change a bunch of other words AND the grammar AND daughter
> language
> grammar.
>
> So I had an idea of making a program which automatically
> applies sound
> changes to vocab-lists grammars.
> However, after 30 minutes of fooling around, I realized
> that my meager
> programming skills couldn't fulfill that task (I'm only an
> amateur who
> has only learned via online manuals and for-dummies
> books).
>
> That's why I'm asking if any of you can do something
> collaboratively.
> I can do C++, Java (including swing), JavaScript, and Perl,
> and am
> willing to learn something else.
>
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5d. Re: LangFam-Making Program
Posted by: "Nikolay Ivankov" lukevil...@gmail.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 11:53 am ((PDT))
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:36 PM, J. Burke <rtoen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I asked for this, like, years ago; no one was interested at the time. But
> it is a worthy project.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Nathan Unanymous <nathanms...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Nathan Unanymous <nathanms...@gmail.com>
> > Subject: LangFam-Making Program
> > To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
> > Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 1:16 AM
> > Wanted: programmers who are better
> > than me (probably a lot).
> >
> > I've been working on a quick overview of a language family,
> > and have
> > accomplished the evolution mainly via SCAs. Often, when
> > adding a new
> > word to the mother-tongue and not liking it's descendant, I
> > will want
> > to change the sound laws. But when that happens, it forces
> > me to
> > change a bunch of other words AND the grammar AND daughter
> > language
> > grammar.
> >
> > So I had an idea of making a program which automatically
> > applies sound
> > changes to vocab-lists grammars.
> > However, after 30 minutes of fooling around, I realized
> > that my meager
> > programming skills couldn't fulfill that task (I'm only an
> > amateur who
> > has only learned via online manuals and for-dummies
> > books).
> >
> > That's why I'm asking if any of you can do something
> > collaboratively.
> > I can do C++, Java (including swing), JavaScript, and Perl,
> > and am
> > willing to learn something else.
> >
>
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5e. Re: LangFam-Making Program
Posted by: "Nikolay Ivankov" lukevil...@gmail.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 11:53 am ((PDT))
Sorry, a wrong mail.
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Nikolay Ivankov <lukevil...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:36 PM, J. Burke <rtoen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I asked for this, like, years ago; no one was interested at the time. But
>> it is a worthy project.
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 5/1/11, Nathan Unanymous <nathanms...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Nathan Unanymous <nathanms...@gmail.com>
>> > Subject: LangFam-Making Program
>> > To: conl...@listserv.brown.edu
>> > Date: Sunday, May 1, 2011, 1:16 AM
>> > Wanted: programmers who are better
>> > than me (probably a lot).
>> >
>> > I've been working on a quick overview of a language family,
>> > and have
>> > accomplished the evolution mainly via SCAs. Often, when
>> > adding a new
>> > word to the mother-tongue and not liking it's descendant, I
>> > will want
>> > to change the sound laws. But when that happens, it forces
>> > me to
>> > change a bunch of other words AND the grammar AND daughter
>> > language
>> > grammar.
>> >
>> > So I had an idea of making a program which automatically
>> > applies sound
>> > changes to vocab-lists grammars.
>> > However, after 30 minutes of fooling around, I realized
>> > that my meager
>> > programming skills couldn't fulfill that task (I'm only an
>> > amateur who
>> > has only learned via online manuals and for-dummies
>> > books).
>> >
>> > That's why I'm asking if any of you can do something
>> > collaboratively.
>> > I can do C++, Java (including swing), JavaScript, and Perl,
>> > and am
>> > willing to learn something else.
>> >
>>
>
>
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6a. Re: An irregular verb system
Posted by: "MorphemeAddict" lytl...@gmail.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 9:08 am ((PDT))
On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Nathan Unanymous <nathanms...@gmail.com>wrote:
> What's a good Basque source?
>
I don't know yet how good it is, but Rudolf P.G. de Rijk's "Standard Basque:
a progressive grammar", vol. 1, looks promising.
stevo
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6b. Re: An irregular verb system
Posted by: "Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets" tsela...@gmail.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 3:00 pm ((PDT))
On 1 May 2011 05:10, Nathan Unanymous <nathanms...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What's a good Basque source?
>
Mmm... Difficult. Basque sources are hard to get. But if you can read
French, have serious searching skills, and can handle slightly out-of-date
data, you can try this: http://grammairebasque.over-blog.com/. It's someone
putting online in blog form the venerable _Grammaire basque,
navarro-labourdin littéraire_ from Pierre Lafitte, written in 1944 (Lafitte
was a native speaker). It's not a very clear book, the spelling is odd, and
the conversion to blog form doesn't make it much easier, but the book itself
is still considered a strong reference, mostly due to the lack of
alternatives.
It's great for the sheer quantity of information it contains, but you need
to be careful with the info you read (Lafitte's dialect that he's describing
is not standard, but then Basque is a very fragmented language with many
dialects). As an online source, it's without equals.
--
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
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7a. Deini font in Ubuntu?
Posted by: "deinx nxtxr" deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 1:06 pm ((PDT))
I just recently started using Ubuntu Linux as my primary OS (have been
using OS X). I just upgraded to 11.04 overnight. A few minutes ago I
visited my person website that (aloha) was rendered perfectly in
the default font set. Just curious how a (now-deprecated) conscript for
my still unfinished personal language found its way into these fonts.
The typeface is certainly not from the font I created either. No
complaints but I certainly found it surprising.
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7b. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
Posted by: "Rebecca Bettencourt" beckie...@gmail.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 1:56 pm ((PDT))
I'll find out in 2 hours. :)
-- Rebecca Bettencourt
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 1:01 PM, deinx nxtxr <deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org> wrote:
> I just recently started using Ubuntu Linux as my primary OS (have been using
> OS X). I just upgraded to 11.04 overnight. A few minutes ago I visited my
> person website that (aloha) was rendered perfectly in the default font
> set. Just curious how a (now-deprecated) conscript for my still unfinished
> personal language found its way into these fonts. The typeface is certainly
> not from the font I created either. No complaints but I certainly found it
> surprising.
>
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7c. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
Posted by: "Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets" tsela...@gmail.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 3:04 pm ((PDT))
On 1 May 2011 22:01, deinx nxtxr <deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org> wrote:
> I just recently started using Ubuntu Linux as my primary OS (have been
> using OS X). I just upgraded to 11.04 overnight. A few minutes ago I
> visited my person website that (aloha) was rendered perfectly in the
> default font set. Just curious how a (now-deprecated) conscript for my
> still unfinished personal language found its way into these fonts. The
> typeface is certainly not from the font I created either. No complaints but
> I certainly found it surprising.
>
I'm on Ubuntu 10.04 (I stick to the LTS version, with just some PPAs to get
up-to-date applications like Firefox 4) and this doesn't show right to me (I
only get boxes with Unicode numbers in them: ED13, ED18, ED14, ED1A and
ED13). I'm curious which font you're using has those characters...
--
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
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7d. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
Posted by: "deinx nxtxr" deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 3:53 pm ((PDT))
On 05/01/2011 06:02 PM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets wrote:
> On 1 May 2011 22:01, deinx nxtxr<deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org> wrote:
>
>> I just recently started using Ubuntu Linux as my primary OS (have been
>> using OS X). I just upgraded to 11.04 overnight. A few minutes ago I
>> visited my person website that (aloha) was rendered perfectly in the
>> default font set. Just curious how a (now-deprecated) conscript for my
>> still unfinished personal language found its way into these fonts. The
>> typeface is certainly not from the font I created either. No complaints but
>> I certainly found it surprising.
>>
> I'm on Ubuntu 10.04 (I stick to the LTS version, with just some PPAs to get
> up-to-date applications like Firefox 4) and this doesn't show right to me (I
> only get boxes with Unicode numbers in them: ED13, ED18, ED14, ED1A and
> ED13). I'm curious which font you're using has those characters...
I googled to find out. It looks like /Constructium is the one. It
appears they just used existing glyphs that were similar in form but
they did cover the codepoints accurately.
http://cg.scs.carleton.ca/~luc/original2fonts.html
I'm just curious what compelled someone to put conscripts in the font,
and how they found out about Deini.
/
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7e. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
Posted by: "Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets" tsela...@gmail.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 4:04 pm ((PDT))
On 2 May 2011 00:51, deinx nxtxr <deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org> wrote:
> On 05/01/2011 06:02 PM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets wrote:
>
>> On 1 May 2011 22:01, deinx nxtxr<deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org> wrote:
>>
>> I just recently started using Ubuntu Linux as my primary OS (have been
>>> using OS X). I just upgraded to 11.04 overnight. A few minutes ago I
>>> visited my person website that (aloha) was rendered perfectly in
>>> the
>>> default font set. Just curious how a (now-deprecated) conscript for my
>>> still unfinished personal language found its way into these fonts. The
>>> typeface is certainly not from the font I created either. No complaints
>>> but
>>> I certainly found it surprising.
>>>
>>> I'm on Ubuntu 10.04 (I stick to the LTS version, with just some PPAs to
>> get
>> up-to-date applications like Firefox 4) and this doesn't show right to me
>> (I
>> only get boxes with Unicode numbers in them: ED13, ED18, ED14, ED1A and
>> ED13). I'm curious which font you're using has those characters...
>>
>
> I googled to find out. It looks like /Constructium is the one. It appears
> they just used existing glyphs that were similar in form but they did cover
> the codepoints accurately.
>
> http://cg.scs.carleton.ca/~luc/original2fonts.html
>
> I'm just curious what compelled someone to put conscripts in the font, and
> how they found out about Deini.
>
> /
>
Well, the font is actually *devoted* to conscripts, and used the Unofficial
Conscript Unicode Registry for the code points. See
http://www.kreativekorp.com/software/fonts/constructium.shtml. It lists
Deini there, so it probably just means you got a place somewhere on that
registry, and they based their work off that.
In any case, it's not in the package manager of 10.04. I wonder where you
got it installed from...
--
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
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7f. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
Posted by: "deinx nxtxr" deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 4:09 pm ((PDT))
On 05/01/2011 07:00 PM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets wrote:
> On 2 May 2011 00:51, deinx nxtxr<deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org> wrote:
>
>> On 05/01/2011 06:02 PM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets wrote:
>>
>>> On 1 May 2011 22:01, deinx nxtxr<deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just recently started using Ubuntu Linux as my primary OS (have been
>>>> using OS X). I just upgraded to 11.04 overnight. A few minutes ago I
>>>> visited my person website that (aloha) was rendered perfectly in
>>>> the
>>>> default font set. Just curious how a (now-deprecated) conscript for my
>>>> still unfinished personal language found its way into these fonts. The
>>>> typeface is certainly not from the font I created either. No complaints
>>>> but
>>>> I certainly found it surprising.
>>>>
>>>> I'm on Ubuntu 10.04 (I stick to the LTS version, with just some PPAs to
>>> get
>>> up-to-date applications like Firefox 4) and this doesn't show right to me
>>> (I
>>> only get boxes with Unicode numbers in them: ED13, ED18, ED14, ED1A and
>>> ED13). I'm curious which font you're using has those characters...
>>>
>> I googled to find out. It looks like /Constructium is the one. It appears
>> they just used existing glyphs that were similar in form but they did cover
>> the codepoints accurately.
>>
>> http://cg.scs.carleton.ca/~luc/original2fonts.html
>>
>> I'm just curious what compelled someone to put conscripts in the font, and
>> how they found out about Deini.
>>
>> /
>>
> Well, the font is actually *devoted* to conscripts, and used the Unofficial
> Conscript Unicode Registry for the code points. See
> http://www.kreativekorp.com/software/fonts/constructium.shtml. It lists
> Deini there, so it probably just means you got a place somewhere on that
> registry, and they based their work off that.
>
> In any case, it's not in the package manager of 10.04. I wonder where you
> got it installed from...
I installed 11.04 last night. Must be part of that. Or could be one of
several fonts I copied from one of my older machines though I don't
remember seeing it render the Deini text before today. I did once
submit the Deini codepoints to be reserved but I never heard back or saw
any updates on the site so figured it fell into a blackhole somewhere.
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7g. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
Posted by: "Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets" tsela...@gmail.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 4:10 pm ((PDT))
On 2 May 2011 01:00, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <tsela...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Well, the font is actually *devoted* to conscripts, and used the Unofficial
> Conscript Unicode Registry for the code points. See
> http://www.kreativekorp.com/software/fonts/constructium.shtml. It lists
> Deini there, so it probably just means you got a place somewhere on that
> registry, and they based their work off that.
>
> In any case, it's not in the package manager of 10.04. I wonder where you
> got it installed from...
>
>
OK, that's weird. That site I linked to above claims you can only see the
texts correctly if Constructium is already installed, and I see them
correctly! I assumed it used webfonts or images, but it seems I've already
got Constructium installed. Which is weird, since I don't remember ever
installing this font in the first place, and it doesn't seem to be in any
package in the Ubuntu Software Centre.
And if I have the font installed, and it works in the Constructium website,
why do I not see the right characters in deinx's post?
Font stuff is soooo complicated...
--
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
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7h. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
Posted by: "deinx nxtxr" deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 4:12 pm ((PDT))
On 05/01/2011 07:08 PM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets wrote:
> On 2 May 2011 01:00, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets<tsela...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Well, the font is actually *devoted* to conscripts, and used the Unofficial
>> Conscript Unicode Registry for the code points. See
>> http://www.kreativekorp.com/software/fonts/constructium.shtml. It lists
>> Deini there, so it probably just means you got a place somewhere on that
>> registry, and they based their work off that.
>>
>> In any case, it's not in the package manager of 10.04. I wonder where you
>> got it installed from...
>>
>>
> OK, that's weird. That site I linked to above claims you can only see the
> texts correctly if Constructium is already installed, and I see them
> correctly! I assumed it used webfonts or images, but it seems I've already
> got Constructium installed. Which is weird, since I don't remember ever
> installing this font in the first place, and it doesn't seem to be in any
> package in the Ubuntu Software Centre.
>
> And if I have the font installed, and it works in the Constructium website,
> why do I not see the right characters in deinx's post?
>
> Font stuff is soooo complicated...
See if they show correctly on the website.
http://conlang.dana.nutter.net/index.php/Deini/Quick_Reference
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7i. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
Posted by: "deinx nxtxr" deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 4:19 pm ((PDT))
Looks like I found where they got it.
http://www.kreativekorp.com/software/fonts/constructium.shtml
They have a few sample sentences on there that I were submitted to
Omniglot (not Omniglossa, which I really need to get back to work on) a
long time ago.
Anyone else have conscripts that ended up in this font?
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7j. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
Posted by: "Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets" tsela...@gmail.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 4:20 pm ((PDT))
On 2 May 2011 01:10, deinx nxtxr <deinx.nx...@sasxsek.org> wrote:
> See if they show correctly on the website.
>
> http://conlang.dana.nutter.net/index.php/Deini/Quick_Reference
>
No, they don't. I've checked again, and the site I linked to does make use
of webfonts, although it claims it doesn't (Firefox's View Source feature
allowed me to check the CSS code). I don't have those fonts installed.
Mystery solved, and now I'll try installing them :) .
--
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
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7k. Re: Deini font in Ubuntu?
Posted by: "Rebecca Bettencourt" beckie...@gmail.com
Date: Sun May 1, 2011 4:30 pm ((PDT))
Have you all forgotten about me? I know I hardly ever post here, but come on!
When the CSUR stopped updating, I created the UCSUR for tentative reservations:
http://www.kreativekorp.com/ucsur/
Either Dana sent me the proposal for Deini or I got it from the list,
but I added it to the UCSUR.
Not too long after that I created the Constructium font, based on
Gentium but with additional characters for conlang support:
http://www.kreativekorp.com/software/fonts/constructium.shtml
I went though all the proposals in the UCSUR, and what ones I could
find with glyph samples I added to Constructium.
Constructium does not come with Ubuntu, I just checked. So you must
have installed it at some point and forgotten about it. And yes, the
Constructium page loads it as a web font even though the page implies
that you need to have it installed. So sue me.
I'm upset that this list forgets the contributions of its members so quickly.
-- Rebecca Bettencourt
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