I agree to !
There is a 'workstation' install available (this is the smallest I think,
never used it).
But with the workstation-install there is no way to setup partitions ! (the
first what has to be doing)It sets his own and don't look if there are
several HD's.
Of course the strictly needed packages must be determined and a way to add
packages and doing several other things (editing, etc..) in console (in case
of X didn't work).
Eric
PS: (there is a bug?) in the new isdn4k-utils or isdn4net (cooker). They
didn't find ippp0 !!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taras Glek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 11:05 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [[Cooker] Distribution Style]
>
>
> I totally agree with you, Dalton, but I would like to add a
> couple of points.
> If software is installed, the user should know its there. Put shortcus to
> applications into KDE and GNOME menus. I find it very annoying
> that Mandrake
> includes AbiWord but doesn't add it to any application menus.
> It would be very nice if every installed gui application was
> listed somewhere
> in the GNOME/KDE application menu.
>
> I too want the default install to be much smaller since manyh potentially
> unneeded packages are installed.
> For example wine and wine-debug....why is wine-debug installled
> and is wasting
> my space?
>
> Dalton Calford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have been using Mandrake since version 5.3, in fact, I learned linux
> > via mandrake and have always supported the distribution (yes, even with
> > buying copies...)
> >
> > The one thing that I found as a begginer and even now that I am getting
> > truly familiar with the system, is that Mandrake, like most of the linux
> > distributions, is suffering from software bloat.
> >
> > Too much is included with the base system. It confuses the user.
> > Alot gets installed, and never gets used.
> > A new user does not know what is needed and what isn't but they must
> > either accept the few hundred meg of software or go through a confusing
> > selection process that they have no way of understanding.
> >
> > I have to say that I prefer mandrake over the others but, I think there
> > is a better method of handling this.
> >
> > Mandrake should be split into a 'base' package and then all the other
> > packages put into stand alone installs.
> >
> > What should be in the 'base'?
> > I would suggest X, a trimmed down version of KDE and all the graphical
> > configuration tools.
> >
> > Why not emacs and joe and all the other handy-dandy utilities?
> >
> > For the basic user, all those utilities just waste disk space.
> > Mandrake is filling the 'Entry level Linux' for windows users who want
> > to walk on the wild side.
> >
> > There should be packages that maintain all the different possible uses a
> > person may want including things like Licq or Apache, but, these things
> > (including VNC) should not be standard parts of the installation.
> >
> > The packages should be standalone in that they contain in one place all
> > the libs and required files so that when you install the package you do
> > not need to go looking for updates to other packages just so you can run
> > it.
> >
> > This way, a end user can easily add to thier system without worrying
> > about getting other unneeded programs that might be security holes.
> >
> > If a user wants emacs, install the emacs package, if they want to surf
> > the web, add a program that does it.
> >
> > At our office, we remove all browsers and make sure the firewall stops
> > all such traffic, but the standard linux installs include Netscape as a
> > default choice.
> >
> > The people who have made this distribution have done an excellent job,
> > but, too much of Redhats legacy of 'everything and the kitchen sink' has
> > got it bogged down.
> >
> > What I am suggesting, is, stepping back and spliting the developement
> > into two areas
> > 1) a very basic linux system with very little on it.
> > 2) add-on packages to extend the basic system.
> >
> > A basic system of 80-100 MB (even less if possible) that becomes the
> > stepping stone of the distribution that allows everything else to be
> > added would make downloads and installations faster and more reliable.
> >
> > A smaller system with limited items in it allow the user to learn one
> > thing at a time instead of having everything in his face at once.
> >
> > I hope I have not offended anyone with this suggestion, and that perhaps
> > it can lead to some discussion on how to make the distribution a little
> > better.
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > Dalton
>
>
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