Though Mandrake includes many improvements over previous distributions, one user interface concern is still there: lack of stderr-like feedback for X users. Let me give some examples. When a user under X runs a program from a broken window-manager menu (still happens), the window-manager outputs an error message onto his stderr, which is currently silently redirected by /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession to the user's ~/.xsession-errors. Newbies don't know that, so they just see that they click and nothing seems to happen. When the user clicks on a terminal-based program in his file manager, the program outputs a message on stderr/stdout. The file manager could offer a "open in a terminal window" option, but not all do this. Same problem. User wonders if something is broken, since nothing appears. Suppose the user uses a floppy which happens to have bad sectors (am I cursed ? This often happens to me, though I seldom use floppies). The kernel will complain via syslog, which redirects to several places (currently /dev/tty12 for example, but only if the user has chosen a rather high security level). Again, the user has no clue why he cannot retrieve his file. Suggestion: bring xconsole back, with a suitable syslog/Xsession configuration. Currently /etc/X11/xdm/Xsetup_0 opens a console only if kdmdesktop isn't available, which actually may be considered a bit illogical, unless you considered that xconsole is good only for those who prefer old xdm instead of kdm/gdm ? Please do not include winbug-software-style read-then-click-to-close dialog! xconsole is better: you can scroll back later and copy/paste, two very important things that make those winbug-style dialogs lack. A line like kern.* /dev/console in /etc/syslog.conf, and a modification to /etc/X11/xdm/Xsession like this should do the trick: --- Xsession Fri May 26 20:38:20 2000 +++ Xsession_modified Fri May 26 20:51:36 2000 @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ # redirect errors to a file in user's home directory if we can -for errfile in "$HOME/.xsession-errors" "${TMPDIR-/tmp}/xses-$USER" "/tmp/xses-$USER" +for errfile in /dev/console "$HOME/.xsession-errors" "${TMPDIR-/tmp}/xses-$USER" +"/tmp/xses-$USER" do if ( cp /dev/null "$errfile" 2> /dev/null ) then Actually the best would be to log both into /dev/console for instant view, and ~/.xsession-errors for reference log. I've tried things like exec 2>&1 | tee "$errfile" >/dev/console but it didn't work and I couln't figure out an elegant solution. (We could use mkfifo /tmp/somefifo tee </tmp/somefifo "$errfile" >/dev/console exec > /tmp/somefifo 2>&1 but this is ugly, there must be a better solution.) What is your opinion ? Also, a last thing: since I sometime switch to console mode, especially to do things as root, or cd burning, I dislike that logging to /dev/console clutters the text screen. Could a subtle /dev/(tty*|console) line do the following trick ? -syslog goes to xconsole if present -syslog goes to /dev/tty11 /but/ syslog doesn't clutter other ttys. I couldn't figure out how to do this... -- Stéphane Gourichon - Laboratoire d'Informatique de Paris 6 - Équipe AnimatLab "Bonjour, je suis un virus de signature de mail. Copiez moi dans votre fichier signature pour que je me propage désormais avec vos mails. Merci."