Now I've installed Mandrake for about 6 people. These people are all windows converts who are not very good with PCs. What they want and should have when they use their machines are much less than the recommended install offers, yet more than the minimum install. These people need all of KDE and no other wms installed. They also need all the *drak* configuration software, netscape communicator and some sort of office suite. They need NOTHING else. Unfortunately it takes quite some time for me to filter through all the other unneeded stuff whenever I install Mandrake for them. Lesson: newbies need one fully featured window manager with configuration utilities, a web browser/email client and then they can install an office suite (eg star office, corel etc.) Everything else confuses them AND takes up unnecessary space. It would be great to have a "BASIC DESKTOP" install which did this (ie about as much as you get with a pre-installed windows PC.) regards, Con. Keep up the good work. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com