My $0.02 and no offence ! Best so far. Unfortunatelly I'm not in position to offer much but I'm a Mandrake user ( fan ). My $0.02, this, as all the projects, would need a champion / dictator willing to work 24h / day AND say what is included and what is not, what is ready and what is not, etc.
Again, at current situation I just don't have time for anything else but to give some ideas ( mostly useless ) but 30+ years on big projects, and Mandrake is a big project, only the real successful have been where you have one and only one person taking the full responsibility - think Linux ! On other hand, I would like to see something fixed on current developement level I can install and test - home ! In work I just don't have time for testing - everything has to work out of the box or I will problems with management ( mostly MS fans ). have a nice day. On Sunday 28 September 2003 12:34, Buchan Milne wrote: > On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Warly wrote: > > It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to > > have some brainstorm. > > > > May you give your opinion on : > > > > - What was wrong in 9.2 development process? > > I think compared to previous releases, there wasn't as much > feature-planning (as in 9.0 and 9.1). This may just be my perception since > I was involved in some planning for features in 9.0 ... > > > - We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split cooker > > ml, we should do it now. > > Please, this *must* be done. Why? Most people interested in the server > development work will have production servers, and may not run cooker > themeselves. Having the >95% of the traffic that is related to GUI stuff > discourages people interested in improving server-side stuff from > subscribing to cooker. I don't think Mandrake will be taken seriously on > the server (though there is no reason why it shouldn't) unless you can get > those running Mandrake servers in production involved in the development. > > Some have said that this will not be effective, but please tell me why a > user will send a mail to a cooker-kde list for breakage in cyrus-imapd or > apache or openldap. > > I think there should be a general list, that applies to Mandrake-specific > software (DrakX, urpmi, drakxtools) and generic cooker issues. Then there > should be lists for: > -server software > -KDE and KDE/Qt-based apps > -GNOME and GTK-based apps > -Other desktop software (OpenOffice.org, Mozilla etc) > -Hardware (/kernel here too?) > > > - What could we do to improve 9.3/10.0 development. > > One big issue is that users sometimes don't know if an issue that > irritates them is a bug or a feature. The reason for this is that there is > no documentation on the design of features. Also, since there is no > documentation on the design of features, bug reports/suggestions/criticism > can only be given when significant time has been invested in it. The > aspect that is going to be used for many problems is going to be used > again here: drakconnect. Some fundamentals are wrong, and by the time > people used it/filed bugs on it, it was too late. > > > - What should we do to improve the Wiki. > > Make it more visible on Mandrake web sites. Do more "concept design" work > on the wiki. > > > - Should we have cooker snapshot ISOs? > > IMHO, no. I believe there should be a mini ISO specifically for hardware > testing that any user can run without a large download or any risk of > messing up any installation. Boot it, see if your hardware works for > installation purposes, and some basic tools for reporting hardware > problems. > > > - What could we do, as a community, to increase the acceptance of > > mandrakelinux? > > There it too little press on the community aspects of Mandrake. Redhat > hasn't got a development community, but probably most non-Mandrake users > would think they do. > > > - How to have more contributors? > > We need clear documentation/instructions on how to contribute. At present, > contributor status seems random (he who bugs Lenny the most gets an > account). There are a number of contributors who don't have accounts yet > (IMHO Luca Olivetti at least should have one), but no process for becoming > a contributor. Also, some contributors aren't subscribed to the lists they > should be (even though they have aksed to be subscribed). > > One thing that oculd be done would be to make more of the inrastructure of > thow accounts etc work public, and possibly appoint community members who > can add accounts or fix some things (yes, I know this could be a problem > for Mandrakesoft, but you trust me not to trojan samba, so why would you > not trust me to add accounts). > > Part of this may be due to ad-hoc setups for authentication etc, and I > think Mandrake needs to sort these issues out using the tools that are > provided in the distro (ie get single-sign-on across all mandrake > websites, using ssl where appropriate, including logins on development > machines). > > More official development status needs to be given to the ports, and we > need to make it easy for contributors to fix bugs on arches they don't > have access to (like at present the only tool I have to fix the samba3 > build on amd64 is using slbd output which isn't used/supported by > Mandrakesoft but by the development extranet). > > > And anything related to the mandrakelinux distro. > > Mandrakesoft needs to find a market that is more profitable (I believe > there is one), and ensure the next disto blows any other out-the water in > this market). I believe that is in the corporate desktop, with totally > integrated client/server solutions. Basically, Mandrakesoft should try and > be the first to offer seemless authentication support using the tools in > the distro. We can feasibly have authentication servers and setup tools > supporting every client OS. A big issue here is managing large (>5000) > numbers f desktops. MS does this with AD-integration on the clients, which > allows software installation, software settings etc etc to be managed by > groups of machines instead of individually. IMHO, it's feasible for > Mandrakesoft to have >60% of that functionality in under 6 months. > > You need to be able to sell an IT infrastructure solution. At present, > only one (maybe 2 soon with SUN's linux desktop, though I haven't seen > anything on enterprise client integration) competitor can do that, and > they are making a lot more money ... > > Regards, > Buchan > > -- > > |----------------Registered Linux User #182071-----------------| > > Buchan Milne Mechanical Engineer, Network Manager > Cellphone * Work +27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 > Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za > GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc > 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 > ***************************************************************** > Please click on http://www.cae.co.za/disclaimer.htm to read our > e-mail disclaimer or send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a copy. > *****************************************************************
