I found the problem with sympa. Could someone fix the rpm? [root@elmo rc.d]# rpm -qa | grep sympa sympa-2.7.3-7mdk Some of the files in the sympa directories are root.root and the queue and bouncequeue user sticky bit is not set as per http://listes.cru.fr/sympa/fom-serve/cache/9.html After I did: chown sympa.sympa /var/lib/sympa/bin/* chmod u+s /var/lib/sympa/bin/queue /var/lib/sympa/bouncequeue chmod sympa.sympa /var/lib/sympa/expl/* sympa is now processing messages correctly as far as I can tell. Sympa still does not automatically change it's UID to sympa as the sympa html docs section 3.6 at http://listes.cru.fr/sympa/ state: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Once all files are configured, all you have to do is start Sympa. At startup, sympa.pl will change its UID to sympa (as defined in sympa.conf). To do this, add the following sequence or its equivalent in your /etc/rc.local: ~sympa/bin/sympa.pl ~sympa/bin/archived.pl ~sympa/bin/bounced.pl ------------------------------------------------------------------------- There must be a parm for UID in sympa.conf but it is not mentioned in the docs. The rpm does not include the etc directory as well as etc/scenari etc/templates etc/wws_templates. I did a: cd /var/lib/sympa mkdir -m 750 etc etc/scenari etc/templates etc/wws_templates chown -Rf sympa.sympa etc Hope this helps to make a better product, Bill