On 11/03/15 10:06, Paul Sandoz wrote:

On Mar 10, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Roger Riggs <roger.ri...@oracle.com> wrote:

Hi Paul,

On 3/10/2015 11:22 AM, Paul Sandoz wrote:

Any sub-type of Process that does not override getPid will essentially result 
in that USO being propagated to many ProcessHandle methods that depend on the 
PID (parent, children, allChildren, info, compareTo). That effectively renders 
ProcessHandle almost useless for sub-types outside of our control that that not 
been updated.
For those methods, the default behavior can be specified, except for compareTo
they already have return values that allow for the fact that the information may
not be available, either due to OS restrictions (permissions) or is not 
provided.
Empty lists for children, nulls returned from info, and even allowing for an 
unavailable parent.
That's a separate issue.

If i get a ProcessHandle given to me, i do not know it's source, i dunno if 
it's gonna barf if i operate on it.
It can be a goal to never throw UOE, to achieve that, the behaviors of all of 
the methods
(of Process) would be defined to have outputs that have to be checked by the 
app;
hence the reference to nulls; empty lists, etc.

In many cases already, if the OS does not provide values or the OS permissions 
do not permit
it then the values returned are empty (instead of throwing exceptions).
That design can be extended to the external subclasses by specifying the 
default behavior
of Process and then defining the behaviors of Processes created by 
ProcessBuilder.


I still think that conflates the "OS says no" and the "Subtype of Process does not 
support the contract of ProcessHandle".

Process as designed feels kind of limited and we are stuck with that. 
ProcessHandle is then also limited by Process extending it. Thus my inclination 
is still for Process to not extend from ProcessHandle, let's keep then at a 
distance.

I think this design should work out cleaner. There can be just a single point where UOE can be thrown, from toHandle().

My inclination, with this design, is to remove Process.getPid(), since the pid can be retrieved from the handle. This should be possible since Process.getPid() is @since 1.9.

For arguments sake let's say we go with that approach:

   public abstract class Process {

can be removed, no?
     long getPID() throws USO { throw new USO; }

I think ProcessHandle needs a protected constructor, otherwise it cannot be implemented outside of the platform. Or is this the intent? In which case Process.getPid() may need to remain.

     // Not final but effectively so for subtypes outside of package since 
public construction of ProcessHandle
     // is not possible
     ProcessHandle toHandle() throws USO { return ProcessHandle.of(getPID()); }

     CF<Process> onProcessExit() { ... } // crappy default
   }

   public abstract class ProcessHandle {
     ProcessHandle() {}
     public abstract long getPid();  // Does not throw USO
   }

With such an approach if one has a ProcessHandle instance will the native PID 
always be available?

Paul.

-Chris.

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