I would love to see this, and I would love it if I didn't have to do
anything about it myself except joining the service when it's ready
(preferably without having to create a new account :-).

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 31 March 2018 at 06:23, Guido van Rossum <gu...@python.org> wrote:
> > I've also got confirmation from Tim Abbott (ZulipChat cofounder) that
> they'd
> > be happy to host us and would even prioritize features they want.
>
> Cool - I've mainly been exposed to the Zulip community via Sumana
> (who's handling project management for the Warehouse migration), and
> if she's any indication, I think they'd be a wonderful group for us to
> collaborate with :)
>
> If we were to set up a python-dev stream, then service integrations I
> think we'd be interested in:
>
> * GitHub (naturally)
> * Roundup (potentially based on the existing IRC bot)
> * BuildBot (potentially based on the existing IRC bot)
>
> (Something worth noting is that the way that chat.zulip.org has their
> own commit monitoring set up is to have a dedicated top level
> "commits" stream, and then separate topics within that stream for
> different repos. I suspect that approach could also work pretty well
> for python.org, rather than necessarily putting everything inline in
> the dev discussion stream the way we do on IRC)
>
> I expect we'd also want to eventually set up an IRC bridge with
> python-dev, as otherwise folks joining the Zulip python-dev stream
> might not find existing contributors to chat to. (While I no longer
> idle on IRC during the work day the way I used to when I was working
> for Red Hat, it's still the default real-time option I'd reach for if
> I was having an extended back-and-forth with someone on the issue
> tracker). Mentioning that also provides a chance to highlight Zulip's
> stream/topic links:
> https://chat.zulip.org/#narrow/stream/127-integrations/topic/IRC.20mirror
> :)
>
> Anyway, +1 for me for running an experiment - the UX issues with IRC
> are non-trivial (and some of them, like the now-unusual way it manages
> user identities, are inherent to the platform), and Zulip avoids all
> of the red flags that can make me nervous about introducing new tools:
>
> - there's a hosted service available, so it doesn't depend on
> volunteers managing infrastructure
> - the hosted service is bootstrapped rather than VC-funded, so the
> business model doesn't demand exponential growth
> - the underlying project is open source, so folks can pitch in and
> help out if they're so inclined
> - the data being managed isn't anything where we're concerned about
> long term preservation (the way we are for code commits, tracker
> issues, PEPs, and email design discussions)
>
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> --
> Nick Coghlan   |   ncogh...@gmail.com   |   Brisbane, Australia
>



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