Hi I have to agree with Arthur. A 1 year ban seems excessive. Nico is a big contributor to coreboot and although he is sometimes more active aggressive instead of passive aggressive like most others, I don't see a reason for such an extreme decision. Discussion get heated sometimes.
I also enjoy him as a reviewer, because he just tells me what is wrong. Directly. Maybe not always in the nicest possible way, but I personally don't care, because I know he means well. And lets be fair: Most of us are throwing passive aggressive stuff in front of others sometimes. People just shouldn't take comments on their code or their arguments personally. Sometimes it feels like people take it as a stake in their heart when you comment on their code being not perfect or their arguments not being correct... We all suck. I don't see a reason to pretend otherwise. Discussions get heated. People should just accept that and keep their personal feelings out of it as much as possible. Having said that I realize that we all have to try to be nice to each other, but we also have to accept that this just isn't always the case. And as long as you don't throw that at new people/contributors I don't see the harm. We are a community after all. For better or worse. We need to compromise. greetings, Max Am Mi., 2. Okt. 2024 um 11:56 Uhr schrieb Arthur Heymans < art...@aheymans.xyz>: > Hi > > I am not happy with this decision. > We are a community with a lot of passionate individuals that differ in > their communication style. > Differences in communication styles cause friction, there is no way around > it. > Commenting beyond the mere technical on how we treat each other in a > community is appropriate and not a violation of respectful conduct. > To the contrary, sometimes a more heated discussion is to be preferred to > be being "nice" all the time. > > I remember on one of my first patches in 2016, that Nico commented that > the code looked so bad he wanted to cry. > It's not "nice" but it was really bad code and I learned a lot since then, > thanks to the honest and truthful communication of the community. > More direct communication is preferred by lot of people, including myself. > > I believe Nico is a good actor in our community and a 1 year ban does more > harm than good. > I personally thoroughly enjoy having him as a reviewer. > > I ask the leadership to revisit this decision. Coreboot is a hard project > to get into and driving the most competent people away is not a smart move. > > Arthur > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2024 at 9:40 AM David Hendricks via coreboot < > coreboot@coreboot.org> wrote: > >> Dear coreboot community members, >> >> Recently there was some unpleasant activity on Gerrit which violated our >> community’s guidelines regarding respectful conduct. In this case the >> coreboot leadership team determined that the behavior in question fit a >> long pattern about which the individual had been previously warned. As a >> result we have decided to remove Nico from our community for a period of 1 >> year. We hope this will be a sufficient cooling off period and that we will >> not need to take more drastic steps in the future. >> >> As we've said in the past, we trust that developers in our community are >> acting in good faith and can generally resolve issues on their own. In >> cases where two sides cannot reach an agreement, for example in a code >> review, we expect all engagement to be respectful and to help drive toward >> a solution. For technical matters this often means starting a mailing list >> discussion, bringing an issue up during the coreboot leadership meeting, >> starting a task force to tackle a large problem, or other means of >> gathering input and collaborating. >> >> Personal matters should be brought to the leadership team directly. We'll >> listen to any complaints or frustrations, but cannot tolerate personal >> attacks made on Gerrit, the mailing list, or other forums. It is always >> required that we treat others in a professional manner and communicate with >> respect, regardless of how strongly we may feel about a particular issue. >> >> If anybody feels that a discussion has become too heated, or that >> somebody is not being treated respectfully, or are simply unsure of how to >> proceed in a difficult situation, please reach out to the coreboot >> leadership and we will chart a path forward together. >> _______________________________________________ >> coreboot mailing list -- coreboot@coreboot.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to coreboot-le...@coreboot.org >> > _______________________________________________ > coreboot mailing list -- coreboot@coreboot.org > To unsubscribe send an email to coreboot-le...@coreboot.org >
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