Many years ago, I attended the aeronautical program at Utah State
University.  At
the end of one year, we were able to take the test for our Airframe
license.  I
missed passing it by two points.  As I had every intention of being an
Airline
pilot, and no thought of being a mechanic, I never retook the test.  That
was 28
years ago.  Today I'd love to have the license.  As everything was
documented by the
University, I wonder if I could bone up and take the test and get that
license.

Larry

John Cooper wrote:

> >  > > They should educate themselves about A&Ps and the roughly 600
hours
> >  > >general, and 700 for each rating they spent getting a license.
>
> >  >Don't I wish!  I'd have an IA by now!
>
> > John, I am not sure what you are getting at.  That is roughly how long
it
> >  takes.  Glen Ward
>
> The quickest way is to take an approved training course from an A&P
school.
> The requirements to take the test for the certificate are:
>
>     (b) The curriculum must offer at least the following number of hours
of
>   instruction for the rating shown, and the instruction unit hour shall
not be
>   less than 50 minutes in length--
>     (1) Airframe--1,150 hours (400 general plus 750 airframe).
>     (2) Powerplant--1,150 hours (400 general plus 750 powerplant).
>     (3) Combined airframe and powerplant--1,900 hours (400 general plus
750
>   airframe and 750 powerplant).
>
> These are pretty close to the numbers you quoted.
>
> You can do it without attending an approved training facility, but IIRC,
the
> number of hours of documented experience required is more like 3000 for
the
> combined rating.
>
> I have 180 hours of classroom training and probably 400 hours of mostly
> undocumented work experience doing everything from wing recovering and
engine
> overhauls to annual inspections and the associated punch lists.  The one
> thing that remains constant is that I don't know it all.  Things that
seem
> unimportant can be far from it.  Aircraft are assembled with little
margin,
> mostly to save weight.  If a structure has 4 bolts and one falls out,
the
> plane will no longer be able to meet its designed load limits.  That
tight
> turn from yesterday could be a disaster today.
>
> A wrinkle in the skin could be due to a failed structural member
underneath.
> Wrinkled metal does not have the same strength as straight metal.  Try
> balancing your weight on a pair of unwrinkled bud cans.  Amazingly
string for
> such thin metal.  Then touch the sides of the can while it's under that
load.
>  It'll collapse in a heartbeat.
>
> "Better" parts can actually cause trouble under certain conditions.  For
> example, Brackett air filters:  certified, cheaper, and more effective,
> right?  Well, put one on a fuel injected plane, and it can cause a dead
stick
> landing.  Why?  Well, the original paper filter would not pass water, so
if
> you got in icing conditions, the filter would ice up and the alternate
air
> door would open and the engine would run fine.  Put a Brackett on there
under
> the same circumstances and the water passes through the filter and
freezes on
> the throttle plate.  Guess what?  No carb heat on a FI engine!
>
> I fly as much as I can.  I do ALL the work on my planes, and enjoy
(almost)
> every minute of it.  I will continue to ask before I do anything that's
not
> covered in Appendix A.  I intend to live to a ripe old age.
>
> If I don't talk myself to death.
>
> John
>
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