Coupers About the oil leak..how about a second gasket in the oil cap? > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 1999 3:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: <Autofrwd>coupers-digest V1 #194 > > > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Received: from zebra.esosoft.net (zebra.esosoft.net [207.153.253.162]) > by hpamgaac.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-1.7) with ESMTP > id SAA28784; > Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:08:07 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from moose.esosoft.net (moose.esosoft.net [192.41.5.145]) > by zebra.esosoft.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA00189; > Thu, 29 Jul 1999 18:07:35 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from localhost ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by moose.esosoft.net > (8.8.5) id QAA23345; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:06:53 -0600 (MDT) > Received: by moose.esosoft.net (bulk_mailer v1.9); Thu, 29 Jul > 1999 16:06:53 -0600 > Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by moose.esosoft.net (8.8.5) id > QAA23337; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:06:53 -0600 (MDT) > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:06:53 -0600 (MDT) > Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (coupers-digest) > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: coupers-digest V1 #194 > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > coupers-digest Thursday, July 29 1999 Volume 01 : > Number 194 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:42:26 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: July Annual > > Coupers, > 93826 is back in flying status...:-). The July annual started > June 21st > was signed off yesterday. New tires, main gear donuts and > spacers to raise > the tail, and an El Reno oil filter on the C 85, was the main new > stuff. This > and the work of removing and replacing all the inspection covers, > fairings, > cowling, and interior floorboards was done by the owner.... also > the mechanic > allowed the owner to add fluids to the struts and brakes, as well as many > other lubercation points. I spent a lot of time waiting for the > mechanic to > find time to do the visual inspections and tests that are > required. I did > learn a lot about how the 'Coupe functions in being able to do > this, but it > did get frustrating some times while watching others taxi out. We also > worked out a list of things to check out before next annual. The > tail is now > up to about 72 1/2 inches, and visibility is much better during taxi. I > didn't have much of a crosswind today to check out its new landing and > takeoff behavior with the raised tail. More on that later.. (I have now > owned 93826,14 1/2 years) > Earl NY > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:34:03 -0600 > From: "R.J. Chevalier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Space Shuttle > > You may not have been following, but the Shuttle Columbia with the first > woman Commander has been up for the past 5 days. It turns out > that on it's > way to land at Kennedy in Florida it passes only about 100 miles south of > the southern border of NM where I live. I got to see it pass by > just after > dark at 9:03pm MDT. The shuttle itself was a brightly glowing > blob of light > and was trailing a tail of orange particles about a fourth of the > way across > the sky behind it like a slow motion meteor. It was about 30 degrees up > from the horizon and took about 2 minutes to pass across from west to east > in front of us traveling at about 15,000 MPH. Then I ran inside > and watched > it land at Kennedy on the NASA TV downlink on the "C" band satellite dish. > That has to be the ride of a lifetime. It sure was a thrill to see it > streak by. > > As I do many mornings, I'll climb in the 'coupe tomorrow and take a little > ride, happy to be able to be one step closer to the universe than > those who > never get to fly at all. > > Dick Chevalier > Columbus, NM. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 02:29:34 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Split elevator on a CD? > > ONCE AGAIN, YOUR MECHANIC SHOULD EASILY BE ABLE TO CREATE A > PRO-FORMA 337 FOR > THE DESIRED ALTERATION AND SUBMIT IT FOR APPROVAL PRIOR TO ANY WORK BEING > DONE. THEN WITH THE BASIS FOR FIELD APPROVAL, PRE-APPROVED THE WORK CAN > THEN BE COMPLETED AS REQUESTED. SOMEONE WHO HAS DONE THIS MAY HAVE THE > DESIRED VERBAGE HANDY AND BE ABLE TO SUPPLYYOU WITH IT, THAT'S > ALL IT TAKES > TO IMPRESS THEM. ANYMORE WITH THE PICKINESS OF THE REQUESTS WE > SUBMIT NEARLY > ALL WORK IN ADVANCE AND GET ABOUT 98% APPROVED FIRST TIME THROUGH./TOM > > FOR EXAMPLE PERHAPS SOMETHING LIKE THIS: > > "REMOVED 415CD ELEVATOR ASSEMBLY AS SHOWN IN DRAWING NO. 1237723723 ETC. > DATED 13/13/1948 REPLACED WITH 415E ELEVATOR ASSEMBLY NO. > 21332232 PER > DRAWING NO. 417812348734287 FROM THE 415E MANUAL DATED > 13/13/1951. ALL > HARDWARE USED WAS A/N (OR NAS OR MS ETC AS THE CASE MAY BE) AND > THE RIGGING > WAS DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH 415E MANUAL 12892387 DATED 13/13/1951. > AIRCRAFT NOW MEETS TCDATA FOR 415E AND A LETTER REQUESTING MODEL > STATUS FROM > 415CD TO 415E SHALL BE SUBMITTED AT THIS TIME." (END OF EXAMPLE" > > THIS IS A PORTION OF PERHAPS WHAT I WOULD SUBMIT FOR THIS > APPROVAL REQUEST > PRIOR TO CUTTING THE ELEVATOR DOWN TO THE E-MODEL OR REMOVING > ANYTHING. THIS > IS THE TYPE OF REQUEST I PROCESS FOR A NUMBER OF MECHANICS ACROSS THE > COUNTRY. THEY COULD DO IT BUT MOST ARE TIMID AND HAVE LITTLE > DESIRE TO DO > ANYTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY. WE DO IT DAILY. RIGHT NOW WE ARE DOING > NUMEROUS MODS TO A GRUMMAN WIDGEON, CESSNA 172 TO 170 CONVERSIONS, J3/L4/ > C-182 WRECK RENOVATION, AS THERE HAVE BEEN NO NEW FIREWALLS BUILT > SINCE 97, > AND THE CANBERRA BOMBER PROJECT. THIS IS FITTED IN AROUND > REGULAR ANNUALS > AND PHASES ON 135 AND RENTAL AS WELL AS PRIVATE AIRCRAFT COMING AND GOING > DAILY. LITTLE TIME LEFT OVER TO GET MY COUPE'S C-85 BACK IN THE AIR AND > REOPEN THE AVIONICS SHOP IN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS./TOM > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:04:24 -0700 > From: Steve Dold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Spam (not Spam cans) > > Hey, are you guys getting a lot of spam (unwanted email) lately? > I'm getting quite a bit even though I don't post in newsgroups > or anywhere else. I'm wondering if my address was harvested from > this list somehow. > - ------------------------------------------------- > Steve Dold [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Say NO to useless over-quoting > - ------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 09:05:30 -0700 > From: "Ron Burke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Looking for 337 > > I saw some where a 337 or information on cutting a 415 D elevator > and making > a 415 E out of it > > I have seen a coupe with the tail cut at a flyin.. but didn't think much > about it at the time. > > I have talked to a number of Washington and Oregon coupers, and I think we > have the people to pull > off a mass upgrade... > > I have a guy that does 337's for a living for Boeing, and we have a number > of tin-bendersand AP/AI's. > What I am thinking is instead of meeting and eating, is we all show up and > as a group set up a upgrade assembly line. > > I think this could be pulled off with some planning. > > I think we could pull off something a bit more involved like C/CD to D/E > conversions the same way. > > So if anyone has any information on this please let me know... > > > Ron and Bethany > N2273H, Spanaway, WA > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 14:35:01 CDT > From: Douglas Stierman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Aluminum Polishing Question > > Hi Again, > > Thanks to all of you who provided advice on the split elevator conversion. > > I have yet another issue. My 415-CD is currently dis-assembled for > restoration and has not flown in at least 10 years. The "polished" > fuselage has probably not been touched in that period of time either. The > external finish has oxidized to a dull, pasty, grey color. There is no > major corrosion, but it definitely needs some work. I started to use > chrome polish because I thought that it would have a coarser "cut" based > on the fact that chrome is harder material. But when I purchased some > aluminum polish(quite expensive) and did a comparison test, I found that > it was much better. Unforunately, after doing a small section, the > applicator pad was jet black! The finish was very shiney, but still had > some "artifacts" (spots & blotches). If I continue with this method, I'll > go a gallon of polish and a hundred applicator pads!! What I need is a > method of removing the oxidation and artifacts(pits & scratches) first, > then I'll use thr polish to get the mirror shine. What can I use? I have > thought of using a scotch-brite, but it may get clogged. Can I wet sand > the aluminum skin? What grit would remove the oxidation but not leave me > with a lot of tiny scratchy swirls? I would like to be left with something > that can be polished with the aluminum polish when I'm done. Also, any > suggestions on how to polish around the rivets? Once again, thanks for all > the help. > > Douglas P. Stierman > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Ercoupe 415-CD N3957H > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 15:12:21 -0500 > From: "Doug Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Aluminum Polishing Question > > Douglas: > If I were you, I would etch-prime and paint it. You'll be better > off in the > long run, both from appearance and structural standpoints. There are a > lot of very pretty polished birds out there, but they take a lot of > attention, and do not have the protection from corrosion that a good paint > job affords. That "black" stuff you're taking off is not just oxidation. > It's metal also. Remember, you have "Stressed Skin Construction" > Who knows > how much has been taken off over the years. ----Just one more > point of view. > Fly happy, > Doug > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:58:31 -0700 > From: Steve Dold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Cowling aluminum wear > > Since we're talking about aluminum "polishing", I thought > I'd mention this in case it's happening to anyone else. > > I used to notice stains coming from the edges of the cowling > around the nose bowl, trailing back in a slipstream > pattern. It reminded me of oil stains or exhaust > stains, but they were dark grey and kind of powder-like. Also, > they came from the side of the cowl, not the bottom. > > It turned out that it was aluminum powder, caused by the > vibration and wear between the cowl and the nose bowl. The > aluminum was getting pretty thin where it was happening. It > was starting to happen where some baffling was, too, except > that it wasn't noticable unless I looked at the inside > where the pieces met. > > I got some friction tape and put it on the inside edges, and > it stopped it. If I had just kept washing it off, the sheet > aluminum would have been pretty thin after awhile. I think > this must be the cause of some of the holes I see in cowlings > occasionally. > - ------------------------------------------------- > Steve Dold [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Say NO to useless over-quoting > - ------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:09:26 -0600 > From: "Kathleen Redding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Information please... > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED874.4F49DFC0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hello Everyone! Some time ago I submitted an email asking information = > on obtaining manuels and specs on a '46 415C that my father had = > purchased. I received responses from many wonderfully nice people and = > we thank each of you! My father found exactly what he needed thanks to = > you! Now he is looking for an 0-200 engine for it. He has found alot = > of information about the 0-200 conversion and wanted me to tell you all = > that if anyone needs it, he has it. So if anyone has information as to = > where we might find an 0-200 or if anyone has one for sale, it would be = > much appreciated if you could drop us a line! Thank you all for your = > time! =20 > Sincerely,=20 > Kathleen Redding > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED874.4F49DFC0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> > <HTML> > <HEAD> > > <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR> > </HEAD> > <BODY bgColor=3D#c0c0c0> > <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Hello Everyone! Some time ago = > I submitted=20 > an email asking information on obtaining manuels and specs on a '46 415C = > that my=20 > father had purchased. I received responses from many wonderfully = > nice=20 > people and we thank each of you! My father found exactly what he = > needed=20 > thanks to you! Now he is looking for an 0-200 engine for it. = > He has=20 > found alot of information about the 0-200 conversion and wanted me to = > tell you=20 > all that if anyone needs it, he has it. So if anyone has = > information as to=20 > where we might find an 0-200 or if anyone has one for sale, it would be = > much=20 > appreciated if you could drop us a line! Thank you all for your=20 > time! </FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Sincerely, </FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Kathleen Redding</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><A=20 > href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> = > </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BED874.4F49DFC0-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 16:35:37 -0700 > From: Steve Dold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Spam (not Spam cans) > > Thanks, everyone. Looks like being on this list > is not my problem. > > > - ------------------------------------------------- > Steve Dold [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Say NO to useless over-quoting > - ------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:59:35 -0400 > From: "Richard Blair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Fuel Tanks > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BED9A0.AE72B3A0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > As part of the renovation of N99997, I removed the 9 gallon main tanks. = > Inspection revealed a blue stain around the outlet fitting attachment = > point on both tanks. I assumed that it was due to a loose or improperly = > seated fuel line. After removing the stain, I found that on each tank = > one of the rivets holding the fitting to the tank had been replaced by a = > POP rivet. This turned out to be the source of the leak. I drilled out = > about 30 or so rivets around the fitting in order to lift that corner to = > be able to buck the missing rivet. When the interior was inspected, I = > found that one other rivet had corroded down into the fitting and three = > or four others were deeply pitted. The tank and the fitting were = > untouched by corrosion, only the rivets, Why? I dont't know. I also = > noted that the inside of the tank had been coated (sloshed) with what = > looked like varnish. Based on the history of this aircraft it may be = > dried up fuel. What is important is that the stuff was dried and very = > brittle. Rub it with a hand and it would flake off. Guarenteed to plug = > up a filter or fuel line. =20 > I drilled out the rest of the rivets, cleaned the inside of the tanks = > and will replace all of the rivets in all of the fittings. > I have photo's of the inside of a 9 gallon tank and if anyone is = > interested in what they look like inside, let me know and I'll scan them = > in. > Richard Blair=20 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] =20 > 415C N99997 > 4J6, St. Marys, Ga > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BED9A0.AE72B3A0 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> > <HTML> > <HEAD> > > <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3612.1706"' name=3DGENERATOR> > </HEAD> > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> > <DIV><FONT size=3D2>As part of the renovation of N99997, I removed the 9 = > gallon=20 > main tanks. Inspection revealed a blue stain around the outlet = > fitting=20 > attachment point on both tanks. I assumed that it was due to a = > loose or=20 > improperly seated fuel line. After removing the stain, I found = > that on=20 > each tank one of the rivets holding the fitting to the tank had been = > replaced by=20 > a POP rivet. This turned out to be the source of the leak. I = > drilled=20 > out about 30 or so rivets around the fitting in order to lift that = > corner to be=20 > able to buck the missing rivet. When the interior was inspected, I = > found=20 > that one other rivet had corroded down into the fitting and three or = > four others=20 > were deeply pitted. The tank and the fitting were untouched by = > corrosion, only=20 > the rivets, Why? I dont't know. I also noted that the inside = > of the=20 > tank had been coated (sloshed) with what looked like varnish. = > Based on the=20 > history of this aircraft it may be dried up fuel. What is = > important is=20 > that the stuff was dried and very brittle. Rub it with a hand and = > it would=20 > flake off. Guarenteed to plug up a filter or fuel line. =20 > </FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I drilled out the rest of the rivets, cleaned the = > inside of=20 > the tanks and will replace all of the rivets in all of the=20 > fittings.</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I have photo's of the inside of a 9 gallon tank and = > if anyone=20 > is interested in what they look like inside, let me know and I'll scan = > them=20 > in.</FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Richard Blair </FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT size=3D2><A = > href=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> =20 > <BR>415C N99997<BR>4J6, = > St.=20 > Marys, Ga</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01BED9A0.AE72B3A0-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:27:22 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Spam (not Spam cans) > > I too have been getting a lot of spam of the "erotic" kind. All unwanted ! > Rob 3040H > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 21:04:07 -0500 > From: "Doug Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Spam (not Spam cans) > > You're right Steve: If it were this list, then I and the rest would be > getting it too, and I'm not. Glad too!! > Doug > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:28:26 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Insurance > > ROB. A while back you mentioned that your were up for insurance > renewal and > were paying $565 now. I have been going crazy with insurance > companies since > my renewal comes up in Aug. Amveco (our current insurance)wants > $1000 for > $15000 hull and $1mil liability. Aopa came in at $931 and AIG > wants $864. I > can't understand why most coupes pay in the $600 range. I have > 300 hours and > Steve has about 80 now. Neither of us have any claims against any > insurance > company. I suppose I will have to go with AIG since I only have > a week left > to make the decision.I still question the logic here. > Jack & Steve > n93443 > Fresno-Chandler CA > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:37:52 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: more about insurance > > Just a sideline about that insurance with Aig. The quote was > through Avquest > in Gold River Ca . Audean mentioned that their insurance was > $661 and that > was for $22000 hull. STILL CONFUSED. > Jack > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:27:52 +0000 > From: Maynard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Looking for 337 > > Hi Ron: > I like it, I like it, I really like it! Ron if you can put this > together it would be just great. > Unfortunately I don't have any of the information you require, but if > I can help in any other way please let me know. And also please count me > in on the project/production line. > Thanks: Maynard Smith, N99843, 415-D > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 22:26:31 -0700 > From: "Tom Laird-McConnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Spam (not Spam cans) > > Just FYI, the reason that I have the list set up so that only members can > post is explicitely to try and prevent spamming to members, even > though this > means a LOT more work on my end. > > That's not to say that an unscrupilous person couldn't get ahold of the > data...but I don't think that has happened yet. > > - -Tom > > - -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Doug Davis > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 7:04 PM > To: Coupers > Subject: Re: Spam (not Spam cans) > > > You're right Steve: If it were this list, then I and the rest would be > getting it too, and I'm not. Glad too!! > Doug > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:59:13 -0600 > From: "Butch Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: heat > > Goodmorning; Duz anyone know why my 0200 powered coupe runs hot, > I just put > the engine back together all new and the engine is tight, the > weather is hot > here, Everything leading to a hot running engine, I was wondering if I > needed to change the cowl a little or just wait for a cooler day > to break it > in, The oil blowing problem seems to have gone away, the carb ice > problem is > alot better, so things are looking up, Thanks to you all. Butchoward an > 2134H > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:12:27 -0700 > From: Steve Dold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Spam (not Spam cans) > > At 10:26 PM 7/28/99 -0700, you wrote: > >Just FYI, the reason that I have the list set up so that only members can > >post is explicitely to try and prevent spamming to members, even > though this > >means a LOT more work on my end. > > > >That's not to say that an unscrupilous person couldn't get ahold of the > >data...but I don't think that has happened yet. > > > >-Tom > > Thanks Tom. It works good. > > I didn't think anyone was spamming me by posting to the list, I just > wondered if anyone was maybe going around and subscribing to > lists to get addresses, or finding files with address lists, then > adding those addresses to lists. > > - ------------------------------------------------- > Steve Dold [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Say NO to useless over-quoting > - ------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:28:48 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: more about insurance > > In a message dated 7/28/99 9:41:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > << Just a sideline about that insurance with Aig. The quote was through > Avquest > in Gold River Ca . Audean mentioned that their insurance was > $661 and that > was for $22000 hull. STILL CONFUSED. > Jack > > >> > > I would be interested in the answer to this one also. I just got my > quote from AIG for the M10 > Aircraft Liability 1,000,000 each occurrence 275 > Physical damage to aircraft 563 > total $838 > And this will be the 2nd aircraft insured with them. > 190hrs 415 260 hrs Alon and 50 in M10 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:46:16 -0400 > From: "Donald A.. Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Insurance > > Have you tried AUA, 1 800727 3823 ? > > Mine is $ 505, after 5 years with them. $15,00 evaluation, 1 > million, full > hull air and ground etc. Ask for Norma Joyce, owner. > > Don FL N87400 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:36:34 -0600 > From: "John Olav Johnsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Insurance > > AUA charges me, through a secondary insurer, just under $900 for > $1,000,000 > liability smooth and $28,000 hull. AUA consistently comes in by far the > best of the insurers I have tried, which is why I am still with > them after 7 > years. > > John Olav Johnsen > Ercoupe 415-E N94783 S/N 4894 > Albuquerque, New Mexico > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Donald A.. Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thursday, July 29, 1999 9:48 AM > Subject: Re: Insurance > > > >Have you tried AUA, 1 800727 3823 ? > > > >Mine is $ 505, after 5 years with them. $15,00 evaluation, 1 > million, full > >hull air and ground etc. Ask for Norma Joyce, owner. > > > >Don FL N87400 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:43:41 -0600 > From: Jack Gocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Oil/Air separator > > Hi Gang > Does anyone out there know of a 337 (and/or) an STC for > installing an > oil/air separator on a 415D crankcase vent. I would want to know who holds > it, if there is such a thing. > I'm sure most all my oil loss is due to crankcase vent blow > by. I get > approximately 7 or eight hours on a quart of oil, which is great but that > quart eventually winds up on the coupe belly which is very messy. > I would sure appreciate any info you might have re: this > solution. I know > how to rig this kind of system but the IA wont approve it without a > previous precedent. > > Jack G.(U42)Utah > 1946, 415D > N103JF, SN:745 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:45:12 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Oil/Air separator > > Jack,=20 > > There is a fitting available from Skyport=3D---or your AI could > make one---=20 > that extends the elbow aout 1" into the crankcase... This > precents liquid oi= > l=20 > from becoming entraped in the crankcase breather, solving the problem. > > It is easily made bu drilling out the elbow, and soldering an > extension into=20 > the elbow.... > > The shaft rotation throws oil into the crankcase breather > elbow....with the=20 > extension ( with small holes drilled into the bottom of the > extension, oil=20 > vapors are drained back into the crankcase, and the end of the > extension is=20 > out of the oil throw area... > > This was not such a problem on lower rpm engines , ie 65 hp & 75 > HP, biut=20 > becme a problem when the 85 conversion alloe\wed 2575rpm and > cruise at 2450=20 > pr so... > > The easiest , surly legal step might be to obtain the fitting from=20 > Skyport...... I think the FMK-28 Oil Breather Modification is the > fitting,=20 > BUT I may be wrong, as there were several attempts to solve this > problem...i= > e=20 > air oil seperatoors, re-routing of the breather hoses, etc.. phone=20 > 414-534-4233, fax 2395..Ask for Lee. > > It appears the revised elbow is the simpliest solution.... > See archives on this list for Aa full discussion... I will try to > attach a=20 > review of Ercoupe Owner Club articles .. > > > Harry Francis > 2851 Sarver Rd. > Elliston, Va. 24087 > 540-268-2307 > > Ercoupe 415 > S/N 853 > N-93530 > > Info on Engine Crankcase Breather: > I have reviewed MANY old Coupe Capers, for information on the > extension of=20 > the breather elbow modification to prevent oil blowing out of > Continental=20 > Engines. > > It seems that Continental finally recognized the problem and offers a=20 > extended elbow for sale. > However, the quoted price seems WAY OUT OF LINE for a simple=20 > elbow....Continental Part # 638282, @ $135.00 - source: Coupe > Capers, Vol 19= > ,=20 > #2, Feb 1990, -page 8, "More on Blow By." > > Here are all the references I found.... probably more are in the > archives,=20 > including a drawing=20 > (which I remember, but cannot find - may be a figment of my > imagination) All=20 > from Coupe Capers: > > 1. Vol 14, #10, Feb, 86, page 3, (Skip, How about start numbering > pages-=20 > hf):quote -"Fellow Club members, I have twice read about members > making oil=20 > separators for their Continental Engines. It seamed to me a lot > of fussing=20 > when the same goal is achieved if the following is done, and it's > legal. I'm=20 > enclosing a photostat of what Ercoupe did back in 1960, i.e. > rerouting the=20 > breather elbow and vent tube up at as steep an angle as possible > for a short=20 > distance followed by an angle change down and back through the > baffle and=20 > straight down. Gravity pulls the condensed oil back into the case > and the=20 > pressure continues back and out. I have used this fan (Note: I'm > sure he=20 > meant for, hf) 15 years and am satisfied with the results. I went > further by=20 > insulating the section above the cylinders as a precaution > against freezing.=20 > If one wants to go further, remove the elbow and drill into the > threaded end=20 > using a 5/8 " drill. Drill in about 3/32" and silver solder a > piece of tubin= > g=20 > also 5/8" o.d. and about 3/4 " long into that end. What the > tubing does is t= > o=20 > prevent thrown oil which is draining along the case side from > entering the=20 > tube directly. Vapors in space go out thru the tube extension. > (Note: now he=20 > goes back to the revised routing of the vent hose, I think- hf). > Don't forge= > t=20 > to drill a couple of 1/8" holes in top of the breather pipe back of the=20 > baffle to let out pressure in case of a line freeze up. The > holes don't=20 > cause any oil loss and prevent pressure buildup in the engine if > freezing=20 > does occur thus preventing a nose seal blow out and oil loss. If > you do this= > ,=20 > how about letting the members know your results by writing in." > (No Name ,=20 > but may have been written by Skip.)( The picture shows routing of > the hose=20 > assy.) > > 2. Vol 15, #9, Feb 87, page 8. "Breather Problems - Coupe Capers > - Vol #10=20 > Feb =9186; An article about the oil vent on Cont. Engine. I > tries to instal= > l=20 > this as described in the article & am losing much more oil that > before. Don'= > t=20 > know what I did wrong. I extended the line out at same opening that the=20 > exhaust foes out (in front of ex pipe) cut the tubing at an angle > aprox, 45=20 > deg, drilled on hole in pipe back of baffle. I don't think I > installed the=20 > pipe or tubing at an angle as steep as the drawing & possibly put > it in a=20 > somewhat curve ( I lost the drawing temporarily) I tried to > remember how the=20 > instructions read. The person submitting the article did not give > his name o= > f=20 > (or, hf)it was omitted. I did not remove the elbow & install the > 5/8" tubing=20 > and 3/4" long. As it's not easy with cowling and fuel pump in place. > > If it's possible I would like to hear from person submitting the > article.=20 > Maybe I overlooked something (apparently I did). > > I have a 1946 415C Ercoupe (35558H), a very nice one ( my 2nd Ercoupe). > > Thanking you in advance, Mr. Opal Walker, Rt. 3 Box 144, Roswell, > New Mexico=20 > 88201, EOC membership #03684." > > 3. On same page is a warning that extending the vent hose into the slip=20 > stream, can cause a suction in the airstream, sucking all oil out > of the=20 > engine, unless there is a vacuum break in the pipe..... ( see above on=20 > perhaps the incorrect placement of the hose). > > 4. Vol 15, #10, March =9187, page 4; Under - Hints & Tips from > 1978: Dirty O= > ld=20 > Ercoupe, column two. I won't quote the entire passage - I'm too lousy a=20 > typist - takes too long..., but quote from the section on Oil > Breather tubes= > :=20 > "The oil breather tube empties into the engine bellypan and > creates as oily=20 > mess. There are two ways to correct this problem3/4 (should have been a=20 > period, I think, hf). Where the breather filling is screwed into the=20 > crankcase, there exists an oil pocket area inside the crankcase. > Any oil=20 > trapped in this pocket will drain out the vent tube. Removing the > fitting an= > d=20 > brazing a 1" extension to the inside of the fitting cures the > problem. The=20 > oil cannot climb up the extension and out the tube. Another fix > is Forney's=20 > bulletin No. 108, which is rerouting the breather tube up and > back over the=20 > cylinders, through the rear baffle and down to the rear of the > bellypan. Thi= > s=20 > traps the oil vapors and returns the liquid oil back to the > crankcase outlet= > .=20 > Daryle & Shirley Lessord, 635 SW 142nd, Seattle, Wa. 98166." > > 5. Vol 15 #11, April =9187., page 5, Hints & Tips:-200 Problems: > "Dear Skip = > - -=20 > Some information I want to pass along to Coupe owners. > > After installing an 0-200 engine in my Forney F-1, I had an oil > loss problem= > .=20 > About 1 qt per hour out of the crankcase breather pipe > > After tearing the engine down 3 times looking for a problem to > account for=20 > the oil loss, all to no avail. As no problems wee found to > explain the oil=20 > loss, I wrote a letter to Coupe Capers explaining my problem. This was=20 > published in Feb. 1096 (1996) issue of Coupe Capers. As usual, > Coupers came=20 > through in great style! I received many letters, phone calls, > postcards with=20 > possible cures. The cure was simple - took about 30 minutes, $ > .30 worth of=20 > parts, and I didn't even have to take off the cowling! > > Most 0-200 engines came from Cessna 150's where the engine is mounted=20 > straight and level. However the Ercoupe engine is installed with > an offset t= > o=20 > the right and slope to the front. This causes oil to pool in the > front of th= > e=20 > crankcase around the vacuum pump drive. This rotating shaft > slings oil into=20 > the upper part of the crankcase and out the breather pipe. > > The Cure - remove the L-shaped fitting in the upper right corner of the=20 > crankcase - Braze or press fit an extension about 1 - 1/12 inches > long to th= > e=20 > inside of this fitting. When re-inserted in the crankcase, this > tube project= > s=20 > inside past the crankcase wall, and immediately stopped the oil > loss. Oil=20 > consumption is now normal in all respects. > > Continental offers a breather fitting redesigned for this > application. Per=20 > Alon Service bulletin #SB-1. If you are interested contact > Sanford Grumet at=20 > West Coast Air Devices, 1-714-625-4891, 9137 Central Avenue, > Montclair, CA.=20 > 91763. I highly recommend the 0200- engine=20 > conversion-------------------------( he continues with another > improvement=20 > you all may be interested in , hf)---- > > Want to put brakes on your coupe without buying $400 Cleveland > conversion?=20 > How to - remove brake assy &take to a good machine shop, and > mill out the=20 > calipers to fit the kidney shaped Cessna brake pucks. This > greatly increases=20 > brake pad surface area, & will slide both wheels on pavement. > Cost about=20 > $30.00 . > > I hope this information will help fellow Coupers, so many who > were quick to=20 > respond with help on my problem. I want to thank Sanford Grumet, Don=20 > Schottschneider, Dave Tomborn, Capt. Kelly Rogers, Dave Johnson and all=20 > others who wrote, called or helped. The response was terrific! > About twenty=20 > Coupers ! > > Thanks, > Bob Conlon > Rt 3 Box 142 > Buchanan, VA 24066 > 1-703( Now 540hf)-254-2382." > > Note: These type responses are why I think it is important to > support the=20 > Ercoupe Owners Club. Sure we have problems from time to time, but > hey, When=20 > have you contributed ???? Participate and Benefit. HF. > > 6. Vol 18, #9, Sept., "89., page 13, (from Coupe Scoop, Region 9 ) > > "Permanent (and Cheap) fix found for 0-200 engine oil blow-out problem > > The oil problem that Doug Tindal has had for the last six months is now=20 > cured!" The article goes on to discuss the problems and tried > solutions - oi= > l=20 > separator, vent re-routing, etc, etc., and then_ > "------------Burt Ellgard o= > f=20 > Minnesota said that the extension was the only thing he had to do > on his=20 > engine to fix the problem. > > At any rate Doug's problem wasn't fixed until he installed the > extension to=20 > the breather tube elbow.-------------" > > 7. Vol 19, #2, Feb, 1990. Page 8 column two, "MORE ON BLOW > BY-------------I=20 > have also made the cheap fix on my blow-out problem OIL as per > newsletter of=20 > September, 1989. Boy, it really works.-----Thanks for the tip. E. J.=20 > Wiedemann.=20 > > This was followed by a comment from I suppose, Skip=97" Thanks > E.J., for the=20 > comments. I receive a note from Burt Ellegaard in which he said > that the=20 > Continental part number for the elbow was 638282. The folks at El > Reno told=20 > me that the price for this part is $135.00!!! I am working with > them on a=20 > plan to make an elbow available to us as a reasonable cost, and > should have=20 > this information next month. Burt said that the elbow would a > cure for an=20 > engine with excessive blow-by." > > Well, it looks like there is a cure for preventing excessive oil > loss due to=20 > the design of the crankcase vent system on the Continental > Engine. I have no= > t=20 > attempted to contact any of these folks as to their long term > experiences, o= > r=20 > the need for 337's, etc.... The Continental price must be wrong, > but ?????.=20 > On my engine, C-85, one must remove the fuel pump to remove the > elbow.....,=20 > if I remember correctly....... > > Skip may have published further information about the > availability from El=20 > Reno; and the contact Bob Conlon gave would be of interest > (Sanford Grumet,=20 > at West Coast Air Devices., 1-714-625-4891 (check for new > area code);=20 > 9137 Central Ave., Montclair, CA., 91763.) > > IT's disturbing to lose all your oil on a long cross country trip. Sure=20 > messes up the day and the budget.....=20 > > Another plug for The Ercoupe Owners Club..... for $25/ year, you > too can hav= > e=20 > all this information..... and share problems and solutions with > other Coupe=20 > nuts......through-out the world.: Ercoupe Owners Club, 7263 > Schooners Ct., S= > .=20 > W. A-2, Ocean Isle Beach, N. C. 28469-5644. > > Fly Safe - Have Fun > > Regards, > > Harry Francis > N-93530 > Blacksburg, Va. Airport > 2851 Sarver Rd. > Elliston, Va. 24087 > 540-268-2307 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 14:43:45 EDT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: insurance rates fly higher than ercoupe > > I don't want to be the bearer of bad news but this might interest > some of you > comming up for renewal on you insurnace. Mike at Avquest in gold > river CA
> whom I felt has been straight & level with me) said that the days of $600 > ercoupe insurance were done about a month ago. He said that > several of the > companies decided to stop writting Ercoupes. It would be nice if some > insurance exective buys an Ercoupe and decides to help us out but > until then > plan on paying up to 50% more on your next renewal. > Jack > n93443 > fresno-chandler CA > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:47:20 -0700 > From: Steve Dold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Insurance > > I have the M-10 insured for $26,000 value, 1 million liability, > $100,000 per passenger, $100 deductable. > It was about $750 or so until my wife and I accumulated about > 50 hours in it. Now it's $686/year. > > I think it's with AIG, but I'm not certain. I let an agent > handle it. > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------- > Steve Dold [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Say NO to useless over-quoting > - ------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:29:39 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Insurance > > Try Aircraft Marine. I get my insurance for $650 and thats the > student pilot rate. > > Here's some info pulled off their website... > > > > Aircraft & Marine Insurance Agency, Inc. > 101 W. Burnsville Pkwy, Suite 215 > Burnsville, MN 55337 > Voice : (612) 890-1124 -OR- (800) 747-1124 > Fax : (612) 890-0937 > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Additional types of insurance: > Marinas/yards - Boat dealers - Pleasure > Boats - Mega Yachts > > Kevin D Gruys was born and raised in a rural farming > community in > Minnesota. He has been in the aviation and marine > insurance > business since > 1982 and is also a licensed pilot. > > > > Joa > '50 415G > > Oh, on another note, we pulled my cylinder and sure enough the rings > were stuck and broke in several places. Everything else looked good > but I'm sending it in to be sure. Can't wait to get my baby back! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:40:21 -0400 > From: Jack Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Insurance > > Just got my insurance from: > > Avinsure 1-888-478-2359 > > A good price and I liked the fact that they,she > knows coupes. > > Also they give me ever quote that they had got. > Let me decide which one I wanted. I've often > wondered if I was being quoted the best deal. > > Jack > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 16:04:39 -0600 > From: Jack Gocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Oil/Air separator > > At 02:45 PM 7/29/99 EDT, CALXA wrote: > "Jack, > > There is a fitting available from Skyport=---or your AI could > make one"-etc., > ================================================================== > =========== > CALXA > First of all I want to thank you for the research you did > regarding my > problem. I really appreciate it. > My AI will not do anything that is not approved by the FAA. > I recently > checked the Continental people and found the standard vent elbow goes for > about $125.00. Brace yourself, the new extended elbow costs more than > $100.00 more than that. I had my AI pull the fuel pump and look at the > elbow only to find that I already had the new modified Continental elbow. > My vent line has already been routed over the cylinders to > the rear near > the firewall and extends down and slightly through the lower cowl. If the > pipe end where it sticks through the cowl is cut at the wrong angle it can > either cause a back pressure or create a vacuum. > There already is a 1/8 dia hole drilled in the top of the > rear elbow where > the vent pipe goes down to the bottom cowl. There is also a louver cut in > the down pipe that allows any pressure in the pipe to neutralize to zero. > I recently had the Coupe in maintenance and stopped every > single oil leak. > After about 10 hours I can no longer find a single oil leak or wet spot. > Please understand, oil consumption is not the problem, I > presently have > over 7 hours on the last quart of oil and it isn't down to the 3 > qt line yet. > When I bought the plane the previous owner said to never > fill above the 3 > qt line because the 4th qt would blow out fast. He was right > because when I > cruised at 2575 rpm I would loose about 1 qt of oil in 9/10 of an > hour. Now > I fill to the 4qt line, climb out at full throttle (2300rpm) and > then level > out and throttle back to 2300 rpm. This way the 4th qt of oil > lasts about 7 > or 8 hours. > So, oil use is not the problem, the problem is the wet > belly. It doesn't > really take much oil coming out the vent pipe to keep the belly > soaked with > oil. Now you can see why I asked about a separator. > > As I see it, the only thing left would be an oil/air > separator that would > drain any oil in the vent line back into the engine, but I don't know if > one has been approved and is available. > > Jack G.(U42)Utah > 1946, Mod 415D > N103JF, SN:745 > > ------------------------------ > > End of coupers-digest V1 #194 > ***************************** > >
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