I have to agree with Chris on this.  This was several year ago, but you
could get a CS degree from a major state school in Indiana without knowing
how to install a ethernet card.  Hopefully this has changed but at one
time a the computer science department produced people who could program
fluently in 6 languages but had no idea how to run their machine.  The two
areas are entirely different skill sets. Complimentary but seperate.

BTW. This is getting off topic.

Regarding RFC compliance - Its a good thing.  But it is more important to
get your mail. PHB's don't accept or understand the idea that its MS's
fault.  If they can send to everybody but your mail server, your to blame.
If a memo is sent out and everybody else gets it, but your mail server
bounced it so they don't get it, your to blame. No amount of explaining
will change this.  This is even true with most sensible, intelligent,
tech savy bosses.  As a sysadmin who doesn't like to be blamed, I would
REALLY like to see accepting all mail formats, even badly formed ones as a
option in the config files.  That way I can upgrade to the newer versions
of Courier and stop using the "broken" one I had to fix.

David.

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chris Berry wrote:

> >From: "Peter C. Norton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > I am a system administrator, not a programmer.
> >
> >The difference between the two is mainly one of job description, and
> >shouldn't be one of understanding how programs work or how to modify
> >them.
>
> I strongly disagree, an SA must be able to program, but that doesn't make
> him a programmer, its a difference of degree of specialization.  A Systems
> Administrator must know something about everything related to computers, but
> he's normally not a guru in any of those areas.  For example, an SA should
> know about databases, but that doesn't mean he'll know everything a full
> time DBA does, and he'll know about email, but may not understand it as well
> as an email admin, etc.  An SA must be a jack of all trades, and that often
> means there isn't time to master any of them completely.
>
> >If you can't program in some language, you should learn how
> >probably starting with shell, and moving towards perl or python and
> >then to C. It will vastly improve your sys admin skills to be able to
> >read and code.
>
> I know how to code in assembler (8086 and Z80), fortran, pascal, basic
> (various flavors), javascript, java1.4, perl, C++, BASH, MS BATCH, HTML, a
> little XML, SQL+, TK, and I'm learning PHP, but none of that makes me a
> programmer.  My programs are all less than 1000 lines of code, most way
> smaller than that.  The difference between what I can do, and what a
> professional programmer can do is significant because programming is only
> one facet of my job.  The only time I'm going to dig into the guts of a
> package and rewrite it, is when there is no other choice, I'd rather, patch,
> configure, work around, hack or replace because I don't have time to do that
> kind of work and meet my other obligations.  Programmers can learn to be
> System Administrators, but just having a CS degree or knowing how to code is
> only a tiny fraction of what you need to do my job, and vice versa.
>
> Chris Berry
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Systems Administrator
> JM Associates
>
> "Linux and I have a love/hate relationship.  I hate its complexity until I
> figure out how something works, then I love its power."
>
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