417 is what I'm used to seeing ...

in my case the 417 was triggered by a lookup failure being negatively cached by 
a ms Windows DNS server.

Have you checked your configuration for spf? What version are you running and 
what does the config look like?

Cheers

Sent from my Samsung device


-------- Original message --------
From: Alessandro Vesely <ves...@tana.it>
Date: 2015-11-13 03:23 (GMT-08:00)
To: "Mitch (BitBlock)" <mi...@bitblock.net>, Courier Users 
<courier-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [courier-users] No SPF reject during DNS outage. How come?

Hi Mitch,

On Fri 13/Nov/2015 02:04:29 +0100 you wrote:

> Hey Alessandro - did you receive any replies not cc'd to the list?

Nope.

> Just thinking out loud here... does courier cache lookups or is it possible 
> your local resolver did?
> Maybe something cached the lookup of your SPF for your domain - and then the 
> non-cached lookup of the IP failed...
> Could that result in the behaviour you see?
> Maybe you would have to have timed your test to occur during the cache 
> lifetime of the spf record?

I don't think I got cache hits, although that's a possibility.

There's something which works counter-intuitively in the SPF module, but that's
probably not even covered clearly by the RFC.  I'd have preferred a 417 reply
code in this case.

Thank you for your interest
Ale

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alessandro Vesely [mailto:ves...@tana.it]
> Sent: November-12-15 3:23 AM
> To: Courier Users
> Subject: [courier-users] No SPF reject during DNS outage. How come?
>
> Hi!
>
> I received a bunch of spam marked like this:
>
> Return-Path: <zl...@tana.it>
> Received: from [210.205.1.118] (softdnserr [210.205.1.118])
>   by wmail.tana.it with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:55:57 +0100
>   id 00000000005DC042.0000000056445431.00005BFC
> Received-SPF: error (Address does not pass the Sender Policy Framework)
>   SPF=MAILFROM;
>   sender=zl...@tana.it;
>   remoteip=210.205.1.118;
>   remotehost=softdnserr;
>   helo=[210.205.1.118];
>   receiver=wmail.tana.it;
>
> The "softdnserr" presumably came from DNS outage.  The NS was disconnected 
> for quite some time, so only internal stuff was being resolved during 
> reception.
> Thus, Courier could get a -all SPF record for tana.it, but not the reverse IP 
> for that Korean address.
>
> However, I tried to reproduce that behavior to no avail.  At the console, I 
> always got _517 SPF fail_ after MAIL FROM:, even if I disconnected the NS 
> again.  My Courier version is getting old, but this doesn't seem to be 
> related to the recent SPF fix, does it?
>
> Any other idea?
>
> TIA
> Ale
>
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