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On Oct 22, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Gregory Heller wrote: > I'd like to take the opportunity to point out the difference between > Open Source, and Free Software. > > http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-software-for-freedom.html > " The fundamental difference between the two movements is in their > values, their ways of looking at the world. For the Open Source > movement, the issue of whether software should be open source is a > > practical question, not an ethical one. As one person put it, "Open > source is a development methodology; free software is a social > movement." For the Open Source movement, non-free software is a > suboptimal solution. For the Free Software movement, non-free software > > is a social problem and free software is the solution." I think we are more Open Source. It is a practical question in many ways. > > I think that Co-working in more aligned with the concept of Free > Software, than simply open source. (as i was typing this, i > thought of > the analogy coworking is to day offices and shared office suites what > > free software is to open source). > > While the co-working concept may be an "open source" concept in > that it > is freely traded and improved upon by others, (and you could not > really > call something like coworking "free software" people would just > look at > > you funny), when we start talking about software, I think it > behooves us > to use the more accurate terminology. > > I am not trying to start any deep philosophical (or worse, religious!) > discussion here about whether or not the CW movement religiously > adheres > > to the tenets of GNU and the FSF, I just want to make sure that people > know that there is a difference between Open Source software and Free > Software, and use the right term for what they are talking about. > > > On 10/22/07, Raimo van der Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I just wanted to add that we (Tribeminds in the Netherlands) have a > similar structure planned as Tara. > > Below I would like to share our Purpose Statement: > To support independents and entrepeneurs in... > 1. Finding shared minds > 2. Finding great projects > 3. Finding a great place to work > ...by facilitating a network and connecting all stakeholders in a > green way > > You see we need to connect the people around 3 objects: the place, the > project and the network(people) > > More information on our project will be shared coming weeks. Have a > peek preview at www.tribeminds.nl (we still need to change alot on > this site haha) > > Talk soon! > > > > On Oct 21, 6:45 pm, "Jacob Sayles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Where did this go? Eva, did you open source your ruby app? > > Jacob Sayles > > Office Nomads > > Seattle, WA > > > > On 4/30/07, Tara Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey Alex, > > > > > I think you were just appointed the person to help guide this. ;) > > > > > T > > > > > On 4/30/07, Alex Hillman < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > If you're going Open Source (everyone), consider > > > >https://www.bountysource.com/instead of SourceForge. > > > > > > Same functions as sourceforge as far as project wiki, > documentation, > > > > task management, and source control...plus it's built on > rails....plus plus > > > > there's a whole open source economy around task-driven > development. You can > > > > monetize feature requests, enticing developers to contribute > to your > > > > project. > > > > > > The site is run by a couple of friends of mine, it's a > trustworthy site > > > > and a good way to support the economy in Opensville. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Alex > > > > > > On 4/30/07, Tara Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > This is all amazing. > > > > > > > Chris and I visited Eva and David at CubeSpace in Portland > last week, > > > > > which was awesome. Great people and a very well-run, nice > space. In order to > > > > > run something of their scale (what was it? 13,000 ft2?), > they have to have > > > > > some seriously kickass software in place. :) I'm really > pumped about getting > > > > > it out there. > > > > > > > And Rich...this sounds great. > > > > > > > > If you guys need any licensing help, just ask. I'm sure there are > > > > > quite a few Open Source experts on the list! :) > > > > > > > Perhaps we should carve out a space at SourceForge? I don't > really > > > > > know how it works, but... > > > > > > > T > > > > > > > On 4/30/07, Rich Vázquez < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > One other consideration for organizing folks that some > may take for > > > > > > granted - in our Time Bank project we'll be releasing, we > are also opening > > > > > > up the documentation (policies and manuals) to Creative > Commons or similar > > > > > > licenses are start-ups to have access to some of the > structure, ideas > > > > > > address and forms, etc. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Rich Vázquez, CISSP > > > > > >www.opensourcecurrency.org > > > > > > > > On 4/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > CubeSpace is a co-working site in Portland, Oregon and > we have a > > > > > > > proprietary database built in Ruby on Rails. We are > meeting with > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > developer on Wednesday to make sure there are no CubeSpace > > > > > > > security > > > > > > > issues in sharing what we have, but assuming he gives us a > > > > > > > thumbs-up, > > > > > > > we will be happy to share it with this group. > > > > > > > > > We designed it to track reservation and usages, as well > as to > > > > > > > serve as > > > > > > > our point-of-sale interface. I will warn you it is > buggy and > > > > > > > temperamental and clearly needs more work, but the > relational > > > > > > > database > > > > > > > structure is sound. We are eager to see what you all > can do with > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > -Eva > > > > > > > Eva Sari Schweber > > > > > > > Chief Cat Herder > > > > > > > CubeSpace, Your WorkSpace Community > > > > > > > 622 SE Grand Avenue > > > > > > > Portland, OR 97214 > > > > > > > (503) 206-3299 Voice > > > > > > > (503) 206-3302 Fax > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email > > > > > > >www.CubeSpacePDX.com > > > > > > > > > On Mar 26, 10:19 am, "Samuel Rose" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Louis, I also plugged in a tool under "New Tool > proposal" that > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > coworkers may be interested in: an open source > application to > > > > > > > handle > > > > > > > > money pooling, revenue sharing, expensetracking, and > revenue > > > > > > > sharetracking. Feel free to remove of course if this is > out of place, but I > > > > > > > > thought coworkers might find the functions of such an > > > > > > > application > > > > > > > > useful. > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 25, 9:20 pm, "Louis Montagne" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tara, > > > > > > > > > to follow up on the discussions we had in Austin, > I've created > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > pagehttps://coworking.pbwiki.com/CoworkingTools. We > are > > > > > > > starting to > > > > > > > > > work on the core social networking features. (with > the help of > > > > > > > a micro > > > > > > > > > barcamp). Perhaps we can draft a few things with > Alex & Jacob > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > > Louis. > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/23/07, Tara Hunt < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris and I and our project team have actually > seen your > > > > > > > spec. It's pretty > > > > > > > > > > cool, but totally doesn't do what we are trying to > > > > > > > accomplish with ours. We > > > > > > > > > > spoke to Noel about this. Basically, you are > approaching > > > > > > > your web site from > > > > > > > > > > a facility management angle and we are > approaching ours from > > > > > > > a coworking > > > > > > > > > > network of spaces angle. Yours = functional (and > really > > > > > > > functional for your > > > > > > > > > > space in particular...I don't know how many > spaces are > > > > > > > commoditizing the > > > > > > > > > > desks to the level of fine detail that you are) > and Ours = > > > > > > > promotional & > > > > > > > > > > social. > > > > > > > > > > > > Our roadmap looks like: > > > > > > > > > > > > Phase 1 - network the spaces themselves (and give > oodles of > > > > > > > > > > information/support on setting spaces up) > > > > > > > > > > Phase 2 - network the coworkers (to be able to > create ad hoc > > > > > > > project teams > > > > > > > > > > like:http://www.programmermeetdesign<http:// > www.programmermeetdesigner.comdoesbut > > > > > > > > er.comdoesbut <http:// > www.programmermeetdesigner.comdoesbut> with > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > coworking kudos/reputation system built in) > > > > > > > > > > Phase 3 - more space management tools as per the > demands of > > > > > > > the network (so, > > > > > > > > > > as we watch these spaces emerge and issues come > up, we can > > > > > > > generalize them > > > > > > > > > > into a tool and open up an API, perhaps, to make it > > > > > > > extensible and > > > > > > > > > > personalize it) > > > > > > > > > > Phase 4 - getting into more services...probably > less about > > > > > > > the web site > > > > > > > > > > > > Sort of growing with the movement and creating > the tools to > > > > > > > help everyone > > > > > > > > > > along. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, though, down the road, we should > definitely work on > > > > > > > how these fit > > > > > > > > > > together. It would be very helpful for all involved. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tara > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/23/07, 116westhouston < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure anyone is aware - i have been writing a > > > > > > > functional spec for a > > > > > > > > > > > 'co-working facility management' web site, i > have sent a > > > > > > > few versions > > > > > > > > > > > to noel hidalgo and will publish this to the group > > > > > > > soon...my space is > > > > > > > > > > >http://116westhouston.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 8:31 am, "Nate W" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Here in New York we have the "Freelancer's > Union" which > > > > > > > essentially > > > > > > > > > > > > works to get health care for those who would be > > > > > > > coworking (as long as > > > > > > > > > > > > you're billing about 20 hours a week). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partnering with an organization like this -- > one which > > > > > > > exists to > > > > > > > > > > > > navigate the healthcare industry for > freelancers and > > > > > > > single-person > > > > > > > > > > > > shops -- may be the best bet, as "unionizing > and getting > > > > > > > health care" > > > > > > > > > > > > is a lot easier said than done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, supporting something like the > Freelancer's Union > > > > > > > helps extend > > > > > > > > > > > > the movement beyond the walls of coworking > spaces :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nate Westheimer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 21, 10:33 pm, "Tara Hunt" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. Agreed. These would be 'add on' > services for > > > > > > > those coworkers and > > > > > > > > > > spaces > > > > > > > > > > > > > in need. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> We will also be looking into the > administration > > > > > > > of really crucial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things like: - affordable healthcare - > green > > > > > > > certification for the > > > > > > > > > > spaces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean as part of thesoftware? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Being from Montréal (we haven't opened > yet) and > > > > > > > knowing Paris is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very promising one, just to give two > examples, I'd > > > > > > > suggest keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things like healthcare if not completely > separate at > > > > > > > least options > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easy to "turn off", it doesn't work the > same around > > > > > > > the world and in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some places we actually don't need it ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same thing for Green business and > probably most > > > > > > > programs, rules and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regulations vary country to country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patrick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tara > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > tara 'miss rogue' hunt > > > > > > > > > > > > > agent provocateur > > > > > > > > > > > > > Citizen Agency (www.citizenagency.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > > blog: www.horsepigcow.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > phone: 415-694-1951 > > > > > > > > > > > > > fax: 415-727-5335 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Coworking" group. 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