I’ll try to clarify the related issues. - ADA is mostly about spatial compliance, so yes, heights, clearances. - Be careful about a manufacturer's claim that their dishwasher is compliant. The main point is that the counter height needs to be 34” max (https://goo.gl/images/DLzp4U <https://goo.gl/images/DLzp4U>), and once you subtract out the counter thickness, that dishwasher might have to be 32-33”, plus some slack space..1/4”? - I don’t think building codes are clear about this, and as a licensed architect, there’s some room for debate. - ADA-compliant counters are meant for businesses that require kitchen counters to do business, ie., restaurants. - Offices do NOT need kitchen counters, so therefore, I don’t think requires to comply. - as for temperature, again, I don’t agree that offices are at all “food service establishments” [FSE] (aka restaurants), so I would not think that the health dept should and would get involved. If they were to, I would argue against being an FSE that would then require compliance with water temp. - In general, I’ve taken the safe road to expedite permitting, and well, laws aside, I think it’s the right thing to do to make our space inclusive to all, including the disabled. - BTW, regardless if your building or even your floor is mixed use, your actual space is what counts, and since all coworking spaces are commercial spaces, they must comply to commercial building codes - NOT residential. - As for “getting caught,” 2 folks can enforce this rule: a building dept inspector, and anyone in the public who knows about ADA. There are unfortunately people out there that sue just for non-ADA compliance as their jobs. They mostly cite restaurants.
Bottom line: it's better to get an ADA-compliant dishwasher than to fight splitting of hairs. JEROME CHANG, architect <> talk to us: (323) 330-9505 <> chat w/ us: <>http://www.BLANKSPACES.com/chat <https://lc.chat/now/7173741/> WEST: Santa Monica <> | <>1450 2nd St (@Broadway) CENTRAL: Culver City <> | <>9415 Culver Blvd (@Main St) EAST: Downtown LA <> | <>529 S Broadway (@Pershing Sq) NORTH: Pasadena <> | <>680 E. Colorado, Ste 180 (b/w Lake and Los Robles) SOUTH: Long Beach <> | <>309 Pine Ave (@Broadway) - opening Summer 2018 > On Jun 11, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Alex Hillman <dangerouslyawes...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > This caught me off guard when we renovated our most recent space too, I think > since our past buildings were mixed-use and this was our first purely > commercial building. > > The ADA laws are around the counter height, not the dishwasher itself. But > because the ADA counter height is a bit lower than the "normal" residential > height, regular dishwashers just won't fit. > > I had done a lot of research on quiet + efficient dishwashers for my home a > few years ago and found a Bosch series that I really liked...and it turns out > they have an ADA compatible version. You can find the model/specs here: > https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/SGE68U55UC.html > <https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/SGE68U55UC.html> > > <https://www.ajmadison.com/cgi-bin/ajmadison/SGE68U55UC.html>The selection > of ADA height washers is smaller, but again the internals aren't really any > different. Just the height so they can fit under the counter. > > -Alex > On Jun 11, 2018, at 7:46 AM, VillageOne Space <villageone...@gmail.com> wrote: > > My building don't have issue about what kind of dishwasher I am going to use, > but I am just wondering are there any regulatory department from the > government would check on us and be very specific about it. But I am not > running a food business or a bar, so I believe that residential dishwasher > should be good for office setting, of course, I want to be sure about it. > > Can any co-working owner give me some advice? or tell me what kind of > dishwasher are you using? > > Vivienne Yang > Founder&CEO > VillageOne Space LLC > On Jun 11, 2018, at 7:53 AM, Glen Ferguson <g...@coworkfrederick.com> wrote: > > It sounds like some random Joe Citizen told you this is necessary. What did > your city's regulatory department say when you asked them about the > requirement? Without that knowledge, your concern is hand-wringing based only > on hearsay. Talk to the city. Most times, these departments want to see > businesses succeed and are happy to help when you're being proactive and > responsible to make sure your business complies with code. Ask for a URL to > the section of code they cite so you can review it and make sure it really > applies to you and not a restaurant. > > If I had to guess, I'd say the initial comment to you was made by someone > confusing a "break room in a commercial building" with a "commercial > kitchen". In my city/state, there's a very different set of requirements for > each - health code inspections being one. YMMV. As Jaques offers, they may > have been referring to a water temp requirement. We raised the temp for our > "residential" dishwasher and passed inspection with no problem. > > > Glen Ferguson > Phone: 301-732-5165 <tel:301-732-5165> > Email: g...@coworkfrederick.com <mailto:g...@coworkfrederick.com> > Website: https://www.coworkfrederick.com <https://www.coworkfrederick.com/> > Address: 122 E Patrick St, Frederick, MD 21701 > > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Jacques Paquin <jpaq...@landsman.com > <mailto:jpaq...@landsman.com>> wrote: > When I look for ADA dishwashers it seems that lots of residential dishwashers > list ADA compatibility. ADA just seems to be about control accesibility. > But looking here: > https://www.consolidatedfoodservice.com/guide/commercial-vs-residential-dishwashers-guide > > <https://www.consolidatedfoodservice.com/guide/commercial-vs-residential-dishwashers-guide> > the implication is that commercial washers operate at higher temperatures > and sanitize, whereas residential dishwashers do not. > > Did the building specify exactly what they meant by "commercial"? Or did they > just mean, "not cheap"? > The dishwashers I've seen (and used) in bars and restaurants are not > something I've ever seen in an office setting. > > > On Sunday, June 10, 2018 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-4, VillageOne wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I am thinking buy a dishwasher in my co-working space, my space is in 7th > floor of a office building. I was told I need to get a commercial dishwasher > because this is the regulatory department's requirement by a shopper, but my > dishwasher will only be used to wash the mugs, so I am little concerned, does > anyone know this? or could anyone had the same experience? 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