a.l.e., I was surprised how rough the discussion became with the association how accusatory some of the remarks were
that's not cool. I may have contributed myself to this atmosphere by criticising the lack of content without contributing any ideas of my own.. (have to sleep so I will finish this e-mail another day) just to say, I am sure we can do better! Op woensdag 18-08-2010 om 00:36 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef a.l.e: > hi > > i don't really agree with the points louis mentioned, but i don't think > that i want to argue about it any more. > > > i have the feeling that with my views, i'm a lonely minority in the LG > community and i will refrain in the future from bringing > new ideas or commenting on other peoples ones. > > i may have changed or the community has changed. i don't know. the fact > is that i currently don't appreciate the way we are discussing in this > list. and i don't like most decisions which are taken (and the reasons > behind those decisions). > > i will keep on doing things, when there are tasks i can fulfill but > won't propose any myself. > > > have a nice evening > a.l.e > > > totally +1 > > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Louis Desjardins > > <louis.desjard...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2010/8/17 a.l.e <ale.comp...@xox.ch> > > >> > > >> hi ricardo > > >> > > >> after having read your mail some more thoughts about the way i > > >> "see" the magazine... it's just my opinion, of course! > > >> > > >> - as far as i am concerned, you and ana are very welcome to create > > >> further issues of the lgmag! at the same time, i'd also like to > > >> see other crews creating "their" lgmag! > > > > > > But Ale, that "their" you put here... doesn’t it defeat the idea of > > > gathering and joining forces around one project? > > > > > > 1. It’s been already hard enough (took 5 years) to find a > > > state-of-the-art design crew. Now we have one! > > > > > > 2. Let’s continue in that direction with the goal of publishing on > > > a regular basis and desperately stick to that rythm! > > > > > > 3. Start with a quarterly, keep it like that for a year, increase > > > the number of pages if necessary, until we reach the point where > > > the project seems viable enough and has drawn much attention and > > > interest and then accelerate the rythm of issuing to every 2 > > > months. If we can, increase the rythm to a monthly publication. > > > > > > 5. With time, we’ll be able to show and store on the website a > > > large array of issues. Every year at LGM the issues of the year > > > will be physically available. > > > > > > 6. Those would be always available to download and print. > > > > > > Bringing such a project to life will already be a solid statement > > > of what we can achieve as an organisation, using F/LOSS. Showing > > > those issues at each LGM will also draw attention. It will > > > encourage people to use the software and create with it. > > > > > > In order to keep production cost as low as possible and at the same > > > concentrating as much as possible on an interesting content I would > > > suggest we start with either a black and white publication > > > (remember, in design black is a color) at least for the interior > > > pages, or that we start with a color cover (C1-C4) and the interior > > > in black ink. That way we could print at very low cost and most > > > everybody could handle the printing locally withoug busting any > > > budget. And we can have a state-of-the-art magazine. > > > > > >> > > >> it would be wonderful to have some sort of main group managing it > > >> and -- on top of it -- some people who could freely work on single > > >> issues. that way i'd like to make some publicity for people > > >> already working with free tools and get some new designers to try > > >> out our programs. every crew will be free to have it's own > > >> approach to the magazine. both on the content and form side (well, > > >> i prefer a form which is easy to print, of course). the community > > >> would be there to help feeding the content. > > > > > > This seems to me quite complicated but I am of course ready to be > > > proved wrong! :) > > > > > > The main drawback I see to that idea is it drives us away from > > > having a solid, gathering brand. > > > > > > As I mentionned above, let’s keep the work on target with the > > > people we have. It’s already hard enough. > > >> > > >> - about pdf / paper / web: i would also love to produce every > > >> issue on paper, but i wonder if, on the one side, we can find the > > >> money to print it and, on the other side, if we have the channels > > >> to distribute the printed copies. > > > > > > The question about the channels is spot-on. The same question could > > > be raised about the community filling content. Do we have the > > > people to write all that stuff? > > > > > >> > > >> very likely, most of the content which will be in each issue will > > >> already be available somewhere on the web. one of the reasons why > > >> i've pushed the idea of a magazine is to have an archive of > > >> selected topics anybody could download and get a clue what that > > >> "libre graphics" thing is. in that sense a "clunky" pdf does make > > >> sense to me. if we can produce a magazine which is easy to print > > >> in few copies, i guess that anybody needing a few dozen copies can > > >> print them at the nearest print shop. (more expensive to print, > > >> but cheaper to spread around the world) > > > > > > Defintely yes: print locally and in small quantities is the way to > > > go. > > > > > > At the same time we’re going to need a PDF version, no? > > >> > > >> - after having produced a few issues on paper and/or on pdf, i > > >> guess it will be much easier to find some sponsoring... i hope! (i > > >> have already an idea where i could ask here in switzerland. but i > > >> need to have some more issues and i can't ask any money for this > > >> year anymore). > > > > > > I would suggest to secure the few sponsors we have for LGM and > > > offer them a bit more visibility (it’s still close to nothing > > > considering the close to nothing expected circulation numbers of > > > the magazine, so far). But of course people are encouraged to find > > > a local sponsor to print the copies they need. > > > > > >> > > >> i'd also like to have some sort of subscription model... but > > >> since we still don't have a schedule, a clear direction, nor a way > > >> to manage the money, i guess it's still a bit too early to talk > > >> about it! > > > > > > Exact. Much too early! :) > > >> > > >> i guess that for now the best thing would be to just do some > > >> magazines and not talk too much about what the magazine should not > > >> be or what its limits are. > > > > > > Let’s put the next one together and keep in mind we’ll produce one > > > every 3 months from now on... That’s already a decent goal, in my > > > view. > > >> > > >> let's just do it! and we will see in which direction the wind > > >> blows! > > > > > > Let’s set the sails and decide where we go no matter the wind > > > direction! :) > > >> > > >> ciao > > >> a.l.e > > > > > > À la prochaine ! > > > > > > Louis > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 08/16/2010 10:57 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: > > >> > > I had the magazine idea a year ago: as a concept, few layout > > >> > > ideas and content plan for a couple of issues. But never had a > > >> > > team to support it and didn't see a way to make it financially > > >> > > rewarding. Ginger and Ricardo picked the idea > > >> > > > >> > and Ana Carvalho > > >> > > > >> > > and then Libre Graphics Magazine #0 was done > > >> > > for LGM this year. In three days. > > >> > > > >> > Production was two days, actually :o) > > >> > > > >> > > Amazing job they did, by the way. I > > >> > > wonder if they intend to work further on it. > > >> > > > >> > This is a good cue. Ginger's reply said everything i would have > > >> > -- having a real object that we can show people how FLOSS tools > > >> > can get the job done nicely is 1000x more effective in promoting > > >> > FLOSS tools than dry evangelising about software packages and > > >> > their pros and cons. > > >> > > > >> > Me and Ana would definitely be happy to go further with LGMag. > > >> > Let me emphasise that the #0 issue was produced on a 2-day > > >> > sprint -- definitely shedding my own preconceptions that > > >> > publishing a magazine would be a more sluggish and convoluted > > >> > process*. And having that issue to show skeptical designers how > > >> > FLOSS can get stuff done is a godsend. > > >> > > > >> > So yes, the team from LGM Magazine #0 is up for going on with the > > >> > project. We can go on discussing this on another thread. > > >> > > > >> > One remark though -- i'm not fond of the idea of a PDF-only > > >> > magazine. Sure, we'd need to get funding and/or sponsorship to > > >> > support the printing costs, but a printed publication is many > > >> > things that a PDF file is not. (also, if it would be > > >> > online-only, better to have a website containing the desired > > >> > content than a clunky PDF, IMHO.) > > >> > > > >> > :r > > >> > > > >> > * And of course, Ginger's awesome copyediting-fu is much to > > >> > blame for this having turned out right. > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > CREATE mailing list > > >> > CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org > > >> > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> CREATE mailing list > > >> CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org > > >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > CREATE mailing list > > > CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org > > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CREATE mailing list > CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create _______________________________________________ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/create
