It seems this discussion is taking place around three definition sets of heinous behaviors.
The 1st set contains injustices against groups as described by Hin-tak (Hi Hin-tak! :D) The 2nd set of heinous behaviors is contained within the 1st set. It is the set of injustices committed against women. The 3rd set is within the 2nd, and is the set of injustices which are committed against women in the working place and in professional settings. LGM is a professional setting. Open source conferences historically have been places where women are ostracized, insulted and humiliated. Many, many women have gone to open source conferences only to find that they have wasted their time, money and effort. These conferences should be events where their career gains momentum, not where their career is ruined. The only reason that LGM is being asked to have a CoC is to help erradicate behaviors which have been shoving women to the back of the professional line. There are always people who constantly must put others down in order to feel good about themselves. A Code of Conduct is usually implemented to indicate that insults and injuries should be dispensed *equally* against women and men, such that there isn't a larger proportion being aimed at women's ability to program, their intelligence, their personalities, their <fillintheblank>, and that lewd wisecracks aren't made which by definition render women excluded from the group who laugh at the 'joke'. So when someone posts on this thread, it would help me to know which set of heinous behaviors they are addressing. PSF is clearly concerned about the third smallest set, which is the most critical in affecting the number of women in the open source community. LGM attendees have always followed the rules of polite society so well that there has been no need to mention the rules. But LGM is growing... We can't eradicate stupid ridiculous behavior, but we can at least join the effort to keep it from sweeping the XXs out of the IT gene pool. Solidarność, Susan
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