Perfect!

Martin

On 3/24/2018 9:47 AM, Øyvind Eide wrote:
Am 23.03.2018 um 20:26 schrieb Martin Doerr <mar...@ics.forth.gr>:

Dear Florian,

This is what I meant by "in general".

I propose to reformulate:

Therefore the use of E13 Attribute Assignment marks the fact, that the 
maintaining team is either neutral to the validity of the respective assertion 
or has another opinion about it, but registers another ones opinion and how it 
came about.
Therefore the use of E13 Attribute Assignment makes the point that the 
maintaining team is either neutral to the validity of the respective assertion 
or has another opinion about it. What they register is somebody else's opinion 
and how it came about.

Ciao,

Øyvind

Best,

Martin

On 3/20/2018 11:04 AM, Florian Kräutli wrote:
Dear Martin,

many thanks for this! I would change, or remove, this part

        "[...] marks the fact, that the maintaining team is in general neutral to 
the validity of the respective assertion [...]"

We see a good use-case for E13 in recording information that is wrong, or 
information that once used to be thought correct. For example, an artefact that 
was once thought to have been produced by Person A, but later it emerged that 
it was made by Person B. In such cases, we want to record the first piece of 
information using E13, along with its source, to indicate that we are aware of 
it and to allow people to find it even when they search based on outdated 
knowledge. We as the maintaining team are therefore not neutral to the validity 
of the assertion.

All best,

Florian

From: Crm-sig <crm-sig-boun...@ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Martin Doerr 
<mar...@ics.forth.gr>
Date: Friday, March 16, 2018 at 1:05 PM
To: crm-sig <Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>
Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] ISSUE: E13 Attribute Assignment

Dear All,

Here the old scope note:
E13 Attribute Assignment
Subclass of:         E7 Activity
Superclass of:      E14 Condition Assessment
E15 Identifier Assignment
E16 Measurement
E17 Type Assignment

Scope note:         This class comprises the actions of making assertions about 
properties of an object or any relation between two items or concepts.

This class allows the documentation of how the respective assignment came about, and 
whose opinion it was. All the attributes or properties assigned in such an action can 
also be seen as directly attached to the respective item or concept, possibly as a 
collection of contradictory values. All cases of properties in this model that are also 
described indirectly through an action are characterised as "short cuts" of 
this action. This redundant modelling of two alternative views is preferred because many 
implementations may have good reasons to model either the action or the short cut, and 
the relation between both alternatives can be captured by simple rules.

In particular, the class describes the actions of people making propositions 
and statements during certain museum procedures, e.g. the person and date when 
a condition statement was made, an identifier was assigned, the museum object 
was measured, etc. Which kinds of such assignments and statements need to be 
documented explicitly in structures of a schema rather than free text, depends 
on if this information should be accessible by structured queries.
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Here my new proposed scope note:

E13 Attribute Assignment
Subclass of:         E7 Activity
Superclass of:      E14 Condition Assessment
E15 Identifier Assignment
E16 Measurement
E17 Type Assignment

Scope note:         This class comprises the actions of making assertions about 
properties of an object or any relation between two items or concepts. The type 
of the property asserted to hold between two items or concepts can be described 
by the property P2 has type.

This class allows for the documentation of how the respective assignment came 
about, and whose opinion it was. Note that all instances of properties 
described in a knowledge base are the opinion of someone. Per default, they are 
the opinion of the team maintaining the knowledge base. This fact must not 
individually be registered for all  instances of properties provided by the 
maintaining team, because it would result in an endless recursion of whose 
opinion was the description of an opinion. Therefore the use of E13 Attribute 
Assignment marks the fact, that the maintaining team is in general neutral to 
the validity of the respective assertion, but registers another ones opinion 
and how it came about.

All properties assigned in such an action can also be seen as directly relating the 
respective pair of items or concepts. Multiple use of E13 Attribute Assignment may 
possibly lead to a collection of contradictory values. All cases of properties in this 
model that are also described indirectly through a subclass of E13 Attribute Assignment  
are characterised as "short cuts" of a path via this subclass. This redundant 
modelling of two alternative views is preferred because many implementations may have 
good reasons to model either the action of assertion or the short cut, and the relation 
between both alternative can be captured by simple rules.

In particular, the class describes the actions of people making propositions 
and statements during certain museum procedures, e.g. the person and date when 
a condition statement was made, an identifier was assigned, the museum object 
was measured, etc. Which kinds of such assignments and statements need to be 
documented explicitly in structures of a schema rather than free text, depends 
on if this information should be accessible by structured queries.
Best,

Martin


On 2/13/2018 12:48 PM, Martin Doerr wrote:

Dear All,

The scope note of E13 must be updated:

A) the property type it refers to should be described by P2 has type of the E13 
instance. Then it is

isomorphic with an RDF reification statement.

B) The epistemology should be described more precisely: It describes that the 
maintainers of the knowledge base are not directly responsible for the validity 
of the statement.

Best,



Martin

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