It seems to me that the Activity of performing the music described in the notation is the activity that has the P33_used_specific_technique relationship to the E29.
Thus: _:performance a E7_Activity ; p14_carried_out_by <san_francisco_symphony_orchestra> ; p16_used_specific_object <sfs_copy_of_score> ; p33_used_specific_technique [ a E29_Design_or_Procedure ; rdfs:label “Ode to Joy” ; p128i_is_carried_by <sfs_copy_of_score> ] . If that activity creates something, then it must be at least a E71 Man-Made Thing as all activities are carried out by Men. I mean humans. [I will leave the sexist language of the labels to a separate issue] I agree that E29 could refer to E71 rather than E24 – a set of design principles for reflecting upon the CRM ontology is a plan for creating conceptual objects. As is a mathematics lesson plan or a philosophy text book. As to whether a performance is a physical or conceptual man-made thing … To me, a performance as an entity that is created by the activity of playing a musical instrument or singing is a very transitory physical phenomenon, notably the modulation of air pressure into sound waves that can be measured and captured by analog or digital devices. The same way that we can photograph an object by recording its reflected light, we can record a performance by recording its sound waves. We then replay the performance by replaying the sound, in the same way as we replay a photograph by looking at the light it reflects. The notion of persistence in E24 is inherited from E77, where it is clarified as persistent identity, not persistent form or state. If the performance was a conceptual object, then it would not be able to be recorded, only described. The “conceptual performance” is the equivalent of the E36 Visual Item – the same “Coca-Cola logo” exists in all physical objects that show the visual item. I would thus add Exx_Auditory_Item to mirror E36. One might then have an additional subclass of both E36 and Exx to represent performances more generally, where the visual and auditory aspects are both represented, such as theatre or dance, or that might be captured by video-recording the orchestra rather than just recording the sound. Rob From: Crm-sig <crm-sig-boun...@ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Athanasios Velios <a.vel...@arts.ac.uk> Reply-To: "a.vel...@arts.ac.uk" <a.vel...@arts.ac.uk> Date: Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 8:51 AM To: crm-sig <Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> Subject: [Crm-sig] Design or Procedure and Physical Things Dear all, With the usual apologies for possibly having misunderstood or missed something. I propose that the scope note of E29 Design or Procedure changes from: "... In particular it comprises plans for deliberate human activities that may result in the modification or production of instances of *E24 Physical Thing*..." to: "... In particular it comprises plans for deliberate human activities that may result in new instances of *E71 Man-Made Thing or E7 Activity*..." Reason for including E7: One of the current examples under E29 is: "the musical notation for Beethoven’s “Ode to Joy”" I do not see how the musical notation can result in the production of a physical thing. Also I think it is a contradiction to "P33 used specific technique" for which the domain is E7 Activity (and also to F25 Performance Plan which is a sub-class of E29 Design or Procedure). Reason for including E71: Consider the example of using a digital camera. I setup the camera following instructions. But when I shoot the image (as explained in CRMdig) I create a new information object and not a physical thing. Note: The current scope note says "may", but I take this to mean that a physical thing may or may not be produced, and not that it may or may not be a physical thing (i.e. to be something entirely different). All the best, Thanasis This email and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and/or its attachments you must not take any action based upon them and you must not copy or show them to anyone. Please send the email back to us and immediately and permanently delete it and its attachments. Where this email is unrelated to the business of University of the Arts London or of any of its group companies the opinions expressed in it are the opinions of the sender and do not necessarily constitute those of University of the Arts London (or the relevant group company). Where the sender's signature indicates that the email is sent on behalf of UAL Short Courses Limited the following also applies: UAL Short Courses Limited is a company registered in England and Wales under company number 02361261. Registered Office: University of the Arts London, 272 High Holborn, London WC1V 7EY _______________________________________________ Crm-sig mailing list Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr<mailto:Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig