I strongly agree with Florian. It is simply right to make these changes.
D ________________________________ From: Crm-sig <crm-sig-boun...@ics.forth.gr> on behalf of Florian Kräutli <fkraeu...@mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de> Sent: 12 April 2019 11:35 To: Pierre Choffé; Athanasios Velios; crm-sig@ics.forth.gr Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Re-label E22, E25, E71 to remove "Man-" Dear Pierre and all, I strongly disagree. This is not about the origins of the word but of its usage and meaning in present day. The CRM should reflect (changing) knowledge contexts and we as a community should react to and respect developments in the world, and not decide based on our personal opinions about them. I think this should be put up as an issue and I would vote in favour of either suggestion: dropping ‘man’ or replacing it with ‘human’. Best, Florian On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 12:13 PM +0200, "Pierre Choffé" <choffepie...@gmail.com<mailto:choffepie...@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear all, This subject is typical of the politically correct attitude of our times and most people (including me) generally avoid getting involved in such discussions - especially on social media where you would immediately get drowned in a flood of insults - and the result is that we have a feeling of consensus on the matter. Now, we as a community might have a different point of view, starting with the knowledge we have of the origin of the word "man" (please consult the wikipedia page<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_(word)> for a brief introduction). Can we please avoid this kind of discussions and leave it to Twitter and Facebook ? Et pax in Terra hominibus bonae volontatis... (any woman feeling excluded here ?) Have a nice day, Pierre On Fri, Apr 12th, 2019 at 11:2 AM, Athanasios Velios <a.vel...@arts.ac.uk> wrote: I support the change of the English labels to: E22 Made Object E25 Made Feature E71 Made Thing And I think this can be proposed as an issue to be voted through the SIG list. All the best, Thanasis On 12/04/2019 05:38, Robert Sanderson wrote: > Dear all, > > On behalf of the Linked Art consortium, I would like to propose that the > labels for E22 Man-Made Object, E25 Man-Made Feature and E71 Man-Made > Thing be changed to drop the unnecessarily gendered “Man-“. In this day > and age, I think we should recognize that inclusion and diversity are > core features of community acceptance, and that including gender-biased > language is alienating. > > Thus the proposal is: E22’s label should be changed to Made Object, E25 > changed to Made Feature and E71 changed to Made Thing. > > The “human” nature of the agent that does the making is explicit in the > ontology, in that only humans or groups there-of can be Actors and carry > out Productions or Creations, so there is no ambiguity about non-humans > making these. > > This issue was discussed at length, and has been open in our profile’s > tracker for 12 months now. We would greatly prefer that it be solved by > changing the labels in the documentation, and thereby in the RDFS, > rather than other RDF specific approaches such as minting new terms and > using owl:sameAs to assert equality, or rebranding only in the JSON-LD > serialization but persisting in other serializations. The change is > consistent, reduces the length of the class names, and is an easy > substitution. The comprehensibility of the label is still the same. > Given the renaming of Collection to Curated Holding, migration of > existing data has the same solution - just substitute the labels. > > As a second choice, if the above is not acceptable, we propose to > instead replace “Man-“ with “Human-“ … only two additional characters, > but a bit more of a mouthful. > > Many thanks for your engagement with this issue! > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > Crm-sig mailing list > Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr<mailto:Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> > http://lists.ics.forth.gr/mailman/listinfo/crm-sig > This email and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email and/or its attachments you must not take any action based upon them and you must not copy or show them to anyone. 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