Dear All,
I think this is a good proposal what concerns the Appellation itself.
If solves the names of universals and the personal name provenance.
It does however not reflect the appellations for specific instances in a
given language, such as the ten thousands in the TGN.
The subtle point is that rdf label is private to the domain instance, as
is LRM Nomen. Therefore the RDF language tags on labels are not on the
Appellation, but on the link instance, and hence cannot be transferred
to such a model.
Using a range property instead of a link property is a logical error,
because it creates non-sensical associations.
Which of all these do we want, and how to model the latter?
Best,
Martin
On 12/6/2022 2:11 PM, Francesco Beretta via Crm-sig wrote:
Dear all,
Reconsidering the whole exchanges in this issue, and the examples,
notably those by Martin on November 9th, it appears that the
information we want to model is:
this instance of E41 Appellation (i.e. a name as identifier of an
entity) is *used* in this language (E56) — formerly or now, this is
another topic.
So, the simplest solution (as a shortcut of longer ones but making
sense in the context of the examples brought by George) is to add a
property:
E41 Appellation --> is (was ?) used in --> E56 Language.
This solution avoids adding persistent item classes, which is somehow
cumbersome, it copes with the problem and brings the information to
the conceptual model in a concise and stringent way, without engaging
in the ontological discussion about the language in which an
appellation *is* (was created in this language, is used as such, etc.
etc.).
The substance of the property, given all the examples you brought,
seems to be quite clear: we can observe (through text and speach acts)
that an appellation is used in a language as a valid identifier of an
entity.
Best
Francesco
Le 05.12.22 à 08:51, George Bruseker via Crm-sig a écrit :
Dear all,
Issue 624 can be found here:
https://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-624-add-e33e41linguisticappellation-to-the-official-specification
The discussion revolves around adding a class to the specification
and not just the rdfs which represents the phenomenon of names being
in languages.
The homework for the issue can be found in this google doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-l6OrEy8I3doP5cCm5dTzLav6SwE2prxBtpPxpqBhaA/edit?usp=sharing
Best,
George
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