Dear All,
With respect to issue 576, a specific aboutness, I'd like to keep in mind
(A) to keep the CRMbase small
(B) fear that the variety in which "aboutness" may occur is even much
greater than that between an image and what is on it. If we talk about
texts, we do not encounter the specifics of a photo showing an unknown
particular, but reference and coreference issues. Image (or voice)
recognition is cognitively very distinct from text (symbolic form). We
have, in general, no clear concept in which way the "about an unknown
instance" may appear in the information object, if not in a Visual Item.
(C) if the distinction is necessary, the referencing symbols can always
be used to create an instance of "/what was meant/" at this spot of the
information object, even without further data than the type (or whatever
else the source stated). If any further reasoning about the dubious
unknown item is necessary, such an explicit representation is even
preferable for clarifying the possible identity.
(D) In contrast however, significant amounts of texts refer
characteristically to series of instances of a particular type, such as
excavation records and many other archeological publications, geographic
descriptions, secondary historical literare, etc. These are typically
*NOT *represented in library catalogues, but very useful. However, I'd
expect such series to be further characterized by other unity criteria,
such as area, time people and others. This reminds me of the
"referential collection" construct, we had discussed in the Europeana
whitepaper. The need not be in a collection form. E.g. Evliya Celebi, in
his famous "travel books" systematically refers to types of buildings in
cities in the Ottoman sphere of influence. For these uses, "about
instance of type" would again be under-specified.
Therefore, I vote to resolve the issue with a recommendation to make an
explicit URIs for isolated individuals, and further discuss "sets of
references with common characteristics".
Opinions?
All the best,
Martin
On 8/18/2023 12:00 AM, Eleni Tsouloucha wrote:
Dear all,
Issue 576
<https://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-576-about-...-entity-of-type>had been
postponed by issues 610
<https://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-610-deprecate-typed-properties-in-cidoc-crm>and
476
<https://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-610-deprecate-typed-properties-in-cidoc-crm>,
which have almost been resolved. Specifically, as far as 610 is
concerned, the only thing it determined was to not deprecate P125 on
the grounds that it's used. It spawned a number of issues (none of
which settles the question that had been raised by George in 576)
As far as 476 is concerned, it has practically been resolved (the
property was kept in the 7.2.x branch on the grounds that it's been
used, some minute details to be worked around).
I think it's time to return to this issue, and determine whether the
Pxxx about ___ of typeproperties suggested by George will be part of
CRMbase, (N)TPs or will be dealt through more intricate workarounds
Let me know what you think (and whether this could be discussed at the
next SIG meeting), by 1 September.
All the best,
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Eleni Tsouloucha
Philologist - MA Linguistics & Language Technologies
Center for Cultural Informatics
Information Systems Laboratory - Institute of Computer Science
Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH)
Address: N. Plastira 100, GR-70013 Heraklion, Grece
email: tsoulo...@isc.forth.gr, eleni.crm....@gmail.com
Tel: +30 2810391488
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Dr. Martin Doerr
Honorary Head of the
Center for Cultural Informatics
Information Systems Laboratory
Institute of Computer Science
Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH)
N.Plastira 100, Vassilika Vouton,
GR70013 Heraklion,Crete,Greece
Vox:+30(2810)391625
Email:mar...@ics.forth.gr
Web-site:http://www.ics.forth.gr/isl
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