Dear Thanasi, Eleni,
It is not clear to me why this is a concern. Both full paths shortcut
different properties, P7 and P167. So, both should be mentioned. Raising
a property to E92 is a different issue, ins't it?
My concerns, to be discussed, are if the falls within requires
necessarily that both places are at rest.
Best,
Martin
On 2/19/2024 9:56 AM, Eleni Tsouloucha via Crm-sig wrote:
Dear all,
maybe reconsider this piece of HW given the concerns voiced by Thanasis?
best
E
On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 5:23 PM Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig
<crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote:
In version 7.2.3 (if I have the correct file in front of me) we have
already added the following:
"This property is a part of the fully developed path from E93
Presence
through P161 has spatial projection, E53 Place, P89 falls within
(contains) to E53 Place."
This is the path from E93 Presence instead of E4 Period (both being
subclasses of E92 Spacetime Volume).
If it applies to both E4 and E93, should we push it a step up to E92
Spacetime Volume which actually owns P161 has spatial projection
in the
first place?
All the best,
Thanasis
On 02/02/2024 14:15, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote:
> Accepted!
>
> But, it seems it should be:
>
> "This property identifies an instance of E53 Place that falls
wholly
> within the extent of another instance of E53 Place, where both
places
> are defined in the same geometric system, i.e. they are at rest
to each
> other.
>
> It addresses spatial containment only and does not imply any
> relationship between things or phenomena occupying these places.
>
> This property is also part of the fully developed path implied
by P7
> /took place at (witnessed), /from E4 Period through P161 has
spatial
> projection, E53 Place, P89 falls within to E53 Place.
>
> This property is transitive and reflexive.
>
> in FOL:
>
> P89(x,y) ⇒(∃u) [E18(u) ⋀P157(x,u) ⋀P157(y,u)]
>
> Then we can simplify the FOL of P7, and add the above FOL to
P121,122,189
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On 2/2/2024 12:28 PM, Stephen Stead wrote:
>>
>> The “However, ” implies that this is an exception to the
statement “It
>> addresses spatial containment only and does not imply any
relationship
>> between things or phenomena occupying these places.”, which it
is not.
>>
>> I would suggest that this is removed: so the addition reads:-
>>
>> This property is also part of the fully developed path implied
by P7
>> /took place at (witnessed), /from E4 Period through P161 has
spatial
>> projection, E53 Place, P89 falls within to E53 Place, where both
>> places are defined in the same geometric system.
>>
>> Stephen Stead
>>
>> Mob: +44 (0)7802 755 013
>>
>> ste...@paveprime.com
>>
>> *From:*Crm-sig <crm-sig-boun...@ics.forth.gr> *On Behalf Of
*Martin
>> Doerr via Crm-sig
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 1, 2024 7:05 PM
>> *To:* crm-sig <Crm-sig@ics.forth.gr>
>> *Subject:* [Crm-sig] Issue 656 Homework
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I suggest the following addition to the scope note of P89, in
yellow:
>>
>>
>> P89 falls within (contains)
>>
>> Domain:
>>
>> E53 <#_toc8104> Place
>>
>> Range:
>>
>> E53 <#_toc8104> Place
>>
>> Quantification:
>>
>> many to many, necessary, dependent (1,n:0,n)
>>
>> Scope note:
>>
>> This property identifies an instance of E53 Place that falls
wholly
>> within the extent of another instance of E53 Place.
>>
>> It addresses spatial containment only and does not imply any
>> relationship between things or phenomena occupying these places.
>>
>> However, this property is also part of the fully developed path
>> implied by P7 /took place at (witnessed), /from E4 Period
through P161
>> has spatial projection, E53 Place, P89 falls within to E53 Place,
>> where both places are defined in the same geometric system.
>>
>> This property is transitive and reflexive.
>>
>> Examples:
>>
>> The area covered by the World Heritage Site of Stonehenge (E53)
/falls
>> within/ the area of Salisbury Plain (E53). (Pryor, 2016)
>>
>> In first-order logic:
>>
>> P89(x,y) ⇒E53(x)
>>
>> P89(x,y) ⇒E53(y)
>>
>> [P89(x,y) ∧P89(y,z)] ⇒ P89(x,z)
>>
>> P89(x,x)
>>
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