Lars,
I believe the work is being tracked by this:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=551139
After a handy dandy update, I see that now it looks like this:
Definitely better than a button and I notice that it helps make the
toolbar a few pixels smaller than with the text field from before, so
that's good too.
But I wonder why the change of wording from "Quick Access", which is
very general, to "Find Actions", which is more specific than what the
button actually does? Note only that, use the button and type "x":
I don't see any "Actions". I'm also concern that our large user base is
likely to not recognize this as a new, improved "Quick Access" replacement.
And then of course there is the question of whether there should be any
text at all on this button; without text though, there remains the issue
of whether users will recognize this button. Also will any existing
instructions, in wikis, forum answers, or other documentation, to use
"Quick Access" to achieve some purpose survive this change?
Regards,
Ed
On 27.09.2019 16:36, Lars Vogel wrote:
Ed, try latest from today in which we converted the button to a tool it's.
Ed Merks <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> schrieb am
Mi., 25. Sep. 2019, 16:41:
My latest comes from the most recent IBuild, I20190924-1800.
That's definitely *the *most recent.
It seems pretty clear that this commit replaced the TextField with
a Button that brings up a dialog:
https://git.eclipse.org/c/platform/eclipse.platform.ui.git/diff/bundles/org.eclipse.ui.workbench/Eclipse%20UI/org/eclipse/ui/internal/quickaccess/SearchField.java?id=faf20d3317002d1d79af174ff7673f64ff7569d6
It's part of part of this Bugzilla:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=500618
So it's coming from the platform.ui.
It looks to be a work in progress with a recent suggestion to just
use a toolbar button...
On 25.09.2019 16:22, Daniel Megert wrote:
Hi Ed
I'm always on the latest ;-). But I can't see that button in the
Eclipse SDK. Is this coming from some other project?
Dani
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Dani,
Sorry, it's new to a recent 4.14 IBuild:
On 25.09.2019 15:44, Daniel Megert wrote:
> And what about this new-to-2019-09 button?
Where is that?
Dani
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And menus. Might this look "prettier" with more consistent use of
images?
And what about this new-to-2019-09 button?
It's a bit ugly in my ignorant opinion.
On 25.09.2019 15:24, Becker, Matthias wrote:
Hi Dani,
and what about view and editors?
Regards,
Matthias
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Buttons in dialogs should use text and that's what you see in
almost all our dialogs. It's also what Microsoft does in its
dialogs (can't speak for Mac or Linux).
-1 for using emojis.
Dani
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Dear Eclipse experts,
today I had a discussion with co-workers and I also want your
feedback on that topic.
It’s about Text and/or Icons on (Standard) Buttons:
Today we see a lot of dialogs in Eclipse where we have buttons
that only have text but no icons.
On example is Platforms “Available Update Sites” preference page.
There we have Add, Remove, Edit, … on the right hand side of the
table.
Btw: Should the “Edit” button not be “Edit…”?
Also JDT’s “Change Method Signature” refactoring dialog has a
similar pattern:
In contrast to that let’s have a look at the “Rebase Interactive”
view from EGIT:
Here we also have buttons. But they all have icons and in
addition they have text below the icons. I find the UI design of
the interactive rebase view really good. The “first time users”
(that maybe
don’t know the meaning of some icons) can directly read the text
(and don’t need to hover with the mouse) and will (maybe) learn
the icons.
In addition there’s a context menu and we have key binding for
the various actions.
Let’s have a look at an additional location of icons and text.
The perspective switcher:
Here we also have Icons and text (but not on the right hand side)
by default but the “power user” can switch the text off.
What’s the reason for not having icons on the other locations?
The Add, Remove, Up, Down and Edit buttons could also get icons
(that already either already exist in Eclipse or are known by
“everybody” from every day’s life).
Regards,
Matthias
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