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https://github.com/eclipse-simrel/simrel.build/pull/315
On 15.04.2024 15:20, Jonas Helming wrote:
Hi Ed, Hi Alexander,
Thank you for raising your concerns.
TLDR: EMF Forms is not deprecated, it is in maintenance mode as
indicated on the project website. Being on the release train is far
more than a couple of minutes of work if we want to do it right. EMF
Forms is very stable in terms of API usage and there have been no
compatibility issues for many years. We therefore do not foresee any
impact on adopters when leaving the train. However, we want to leave
the release train early enough, not in a rush when there is actually a
real issue somewhere in the future.
Longer answer:
The issue is that it is actually not a few minutes if you want to do
it right. Being on the release train also means to ensure its quality
from my POV. Maybe a difference to other projects is that we have UI
contributions. As an example, the UI components of the EMF Forms
tooling are not looking good on the dark theme that was introduced.
This is not a real issue for any existing user or adopters, but for
people who look at the release train or more precisely the EPP, this
looks unpolished. We need to spend significant resources on
maintaining the release train contribution, particularly on testing.
This is not about a few minutes.
We actually waited pretty long before taking this step and maintained
the contribution for over a decade. We want to be more proactive with
maintaining our contribution and not harm the general quality of the
train.
We don't expect typical users and adopters to be negatively impacted
by the decision to leave the release train. There has not been any
breakage with new Eclipse versions in projects we know about in EMF
Forms since many many years. This means use cases in existing projects
typically work well and are not impacted. If there are any issues,
there still are channels to contact the community and us, in order to
fix potential issues and to produce new releases. But this is then
based on request, when it really is needed. We expect to test and fix
compatibility for known projects typically once per year. However, we
do not want to generically promise compatibility for every new version
and unknown projects without extensive testing and without knowing
there is a specific need by an adopter.
I hope with this explanation, the decision makes more sense.
Alexander, we are of course happy for any contributions and or comments!
Best regards,
Jonas
Am Do., 11. Apr. 2024 um 11:09 Uhr schrieb Ed Merks via
cross-project-issues-dev <cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org>:
I think the user base for EMFForms out in broader community is
significant. Also, I think the statement that there isn't
sufficient resource for builds nor for the few minutes it takes to
contribute such builds to SimRel is a strong statement that the
project is on the way toward extinction. I'm not sure that's the
message you want for the community.
On 11.04.2024 10:55, Alexander Fedorov via
cross-project-issues-dev wrote:
Hello Eugen,
This is sad news, as Eclipse Passage project depend on EMFForms
quite tightly. However, our components that require EMFForms are
not in SimRel.
Nevertheless, our team is interested to see EMFForms alive,
either inside or outside SimRel.
Please feel free to contact me if there are actions to maintain
p2 repositories that are already overdue, may be we can find a
solution together.
Regards,
AF
11.04.2024 11:31, Eugen Neufeld via cross-project-issues-dev пишет:
Hi,
EMFForms and thus ECP will drop from the release train as we
don’t have the resources to test the contribution as we would
like to.
We will maintain our project p2 repositories, so EMFForms may be
consumed from there.
There should be no effect on other projects. If we missed one
please let us know so we can find a solution together.
Regards,
Eugen
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