Guys, Please, coordinate with John. I think there was a plan for Adam and Victor to hack on dev tools. OBS was another.
If we can have a day for CB 2.0, it will be great. Arkady From: crowbar-bounces On Behalf Of Judd Maltin Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:48 PM To: Adam Spiers Cc: crowbar Subject: Re: [Crowbar] CB2 Core Design update I can probably make it to Austin then. We could also meet in Boston or NYC. Any ideas you guys have are MOST welcome... let's get them in a pile. Judd Maltin 1-917-882-1270 I have suffering to learn compassion once and once again. On Jun 2, 2013 5:31 PM, "Adam Spiers" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Thanks Rob / Judd / Simon for the clarification. Which of you will be in Austin when I'm there (June 24-26)? Seems like a good opportunity to continue this discussion. Rob Hirschfeld ([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>) wrote: > Adam / Chris / CB Community, > > I tried to frame this during the design call and it's worth repeating -> the > original scope for CB2 was overly ambitious and I believe we need a more > practical target ("CB2 core") for our next iteration. > > We've accomplished a lot in CB2 trunk from database schema, jig framework, > Chef 11, Rails 3, Ruby 1.9, automated testing, integrated docs, improved > packaging and much other real progress. > > Most importantly, we have LEARNED a lot. With the pause for Pebbles, we've > had a chance to reflect. The #1 lesson for me is that our orchestration > plans were incomplete and too large. It is now clear to me that the > orchestration complexity was a major factor in our delivery slips. > > My objective is to start bringing these lessons learned to the community for > discussion. I think a dialog about them is important; however, we need to > accept that the code base will be "down-factored" to achieve a core > functionality set. These functions will include work from above that we've > accomplished and should also deliver important CB2 objectives like late-bound > networking, heterogeneous O/S, online cache mode, scale, multiple CMDBs, and > the ability share/upstream cookbooks. > > I've seen some great discussion on this topic so far. I hope my $0.02 helps > add clarity. > > I'm going offline for a week - I'm looking forward to seeing where you've > taken this when I return. > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: crowbar-bounces On Behalf Of Adam Spiers > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 5:38 AM > To: crowbar > Subject: Re: [Crowbar] CB2 Core Design update > > Adam Spiers ([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>) wrote: > > Rob Hirschfeld ([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>) > > wrote: > > > Victor and I were kicking around the DB models a little more. The result > > > was a further refinement/simplification for discussion. > > > > > > > > > 1) Deployment is the top level thing. Basically, all the roles hang > > > off the deployment (through the snapshot pointer). When a role has a > > > prerequisite, that prerequisite is always resolved from within the > > > deployment. The discussion image shows the role prereq chain in blue. > > > > Just checking you saw my feedback yesterday? I'm not yet convinced > > how well this will work, but I'm very willing to be persuaded via > > answers to my questions :) > > Just as an aside, I'm sort of puzzled that we're going through another > fundamental iteration of redesign of 2.0 at this point. Have the timescales > for release shifted sufficiently far into the future to make this feasible? > I haven't been too involved in those discussions so maybe I missed something, > but I thought the goal was to aim for a > 2.0 release relatively soon after Pebbles? > > _______________________________________________ > Crowbar mailing list > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/crowbar > For more information: http://crowbar.github.com/ _______________________________________________ Crowbar mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.us.dell.com/mailman/listinfo/crowbar For more information: http://crowbar.github.com/
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